"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> skrev i en meddelelse
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> On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:05:00 +0000, les_on_usenet
> <delete-unread@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:31:13 -0500, James <bireda@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>>>Free Lunch <lunch@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>
>>>>Re: DOES ANY GOD EXIST?
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 11:45:17 -0600, in alt.atheism
>>>>duke <duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
>>>><a81si3ljcb2s6htomdunpfduaor2t5l751@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:
>>>>>On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 12:24:13 -0000, "Bill M" <wmech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>There is NO objective verifiable evidence for the existence of ANY
>>>>>>gods.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sure there is. You just prefer to profess that you know better, and
I
>>>>>disagree
>>>>>with you.
>>>>
>>>>You keep asserting it, but never offer any reference to any of this
>>>>supposed evidence. You act like you don't have any, but are too
pathetic
>>>>to admit it.
>>>>
>>>>By the way, Christian doctrine tells us that we do _not_ KNOW.
Claiming
>>>>to KNOW is the Gnostic heresy.
>>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>On the contrary, the Bible wants us to KNOW who created all these
>>>things. Ge 1:1,
>>>
>>>"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." (NIV)
>>>
>>>And for evidence, if you walk into a store, I doubt it if you assume
>>>those items were produced by mindless random chance over time and then
>>>collected, and put in that store. Rather they have the 'mark' of being
>>>designed by an intelligence.
>>
>>Do they???!!!
>>
>>Amazing, I would never have thought it.
>>
>>It always looked natural do me. Do clouds have model numbers
>>then?
>
> If you would read before responding, you'd realized he already
> addressed it. He wasn't talking about a physical mark, like "made
> in China". He was talking about you just knowing that all of that
> was clearly designed. It didn't just evolve.
How do you "just know'" that?
>
>>
>>> You just know that without having to
>>>verify that. (and by 'mark' I don't mean "made in China" or something)
>>>
>>>Well, if you look around the whole world, you also can see the 'mark'
>>>of a great designer and an intelligence.
>>
>>Same comments.
>>
>>> The Bible wants us to
>>>consider that evidence and reasons with us the following way: Heb 3:4,
>>
>>>"For every house is built by someone, but the builder of all things is
>>>God." (NASB)
>>
>>Did the author of this extraordinary assertion explain how he knew
>>this and lay out the evidence for us?
>
> There's nothing to explain. Look around you: life itself;
> consciousness; conscience; sight; reproduction; the laws of
> nature; planets; perfect orbits; perfect conditions to live here
> on Earth, where any difference in a number of factors would make
> life here impossible;
The that developed would be impossible. Depending on what the conditions
were other types of life might have developed.
and the list goes on. This is all clearly
> evidence of intelligent design; i.e., God.
>
> You're free to reject that this is what the evidence points to,
> but you want to ignore the evidence, which is where you go
> overboard.
One has to assume one's conclusion before the above can be considered
evidence.
>
>>
>>No?
>>
>>Thought not.
>>
>>The usual 'just accept it on my-say-so' approach that believers are
>>full of.
>
> It's the 'accept everything in this store and in this world just
> evolved because my-say-so' approach is what evolutionists use.
> What a coincidence.
No, that would be a strawman. The theory of evolution fits all the data.
There is no evidence for your belief, and lying about evolution just makes
you look silly.
>
>>Fortunatly it is no longer a case of 'accept it or I will
>>persuade you with this club'
>
> Unfortunately, with most (not all) evolutionists, it's 'accept it
> or I will scream at you and insult you until you do believe what
> I believe or until you go away'.
Where do you get all of that straw?
>
> Romans 1:19-20 KJVR
> 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in
> them; for God hath showed it unto them.
> 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the
> world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are
> made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are
> without excuse:
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Les Hellawell
>>Greetings from
>>YORK****RE - The White Rose County
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