"IbeDavid" <norman706@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> On Dec 4, 3:55 am, "Bill M" <wm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> All religious beliefs are based on pure 'FAITH', not on ANY TANGIBLE
>> OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE.
>>
>> There are thousands of different and contradictory religious and God
>> beliefs. How does anyone know which is the correct one? 'IF' there is a
>> REAL
>> God, why does he not appear or communicate to all his creations and
show
>> he
>> is the real God and that all the others are fakes? Man can accurately
>> communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet, Telephone,
>> Newsprint,
>> and Radio. Why can't any REAL god communicate with all of mankind in an
>> equal or even more effective manner??? Why does the real God not inform
>> all
>> of mankind in a clear unquestionable manner that he is the real God and
>> what
>> are his wishes and demands? Why does any real God refuse to clear up
all
>> this confusion? Why can't a real god smite the THOUSANDS of FAKES and
end
>> the confusion?
>>
>> Has ANY God spoken to you other than in your dreams? Is there ANY
>> tangible,
>> OBJECTIVE VERIFIABLE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE for the existence of ANY of
>> these
>> many Gods? There are people in ALL religions that have claimed to see
or
>> communicate with "their" god. It is evident that these people fit into
>> one
>> of two categories. There are those that are seriously psychotic and
>> hallucinate and there are those that lie to impress their followers.
>> There
>> are thousands of God beliefs. Which, if any, is the real God and which
>> are
>> fakes? Have any dead relatives or friends actually communicated with
SANE
>> people except in their dreams? Why does any real god avoid or prohibit
>> this
>> communication from the spirits of dead loved ones and friends? If there
>> was
>> a real god you would think he would actually encourage this kind of
>> authentification and communication of his wishes and commands.
>> Unfortunately
>> when we die we are just 'plain dead'!
>>
>> A favorite claim of god believers is the human eye. They claim it is so
>> complex and efficient,
>>
>> it could not have just evolved but is evidence of an all powerful
>> creator.
>> The vertebrate eye is arranged 'back to front' so that light has to
pass
>> through a forest of connecting wires before hitting the photo cells.
This
>> is
>> not what would be an intelligent and wise design. The independently
>> evolved
>> octopus eye is the reverse of this and a much more efficient design.
>>
>> Why does this supposed all powerful creator, all loving and caring
>> intelligent designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic
>> Eruptions, Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and thousands of debilitating
>> diseases, serious body malfunctions and starvation that punish people
of
>> all
>> faiths and morality? There are over 12,000 known diseases that torture
>> and
>> kill man. There are thousands of diseases that torture and kill totally
>> innocent animals. Why would this omnificent all loving, all powerful
god
>> create all these catastrophes to indiscriminately torture and kill his
>> creations??? These catastrophes affect people of ALL religious beliefs
>> and
>> morality including TOTALLY INNOCENT CHILDREN! Is this evidence of a
>> loving
>> powerful God creator of the Universe?
>>
>> There is a parasitic worm in West Africa that bores through the eyes of
>> children
>> and causes total blindness for the rest of their lives.
>>
>> There is a Fox sized animal on the Australian Island of Tasmania that
is
>> being wiped out by an infectious cancer that grows on the animal's
snout
>> until it no longer can eat and starves to death.
>>
>> Why would a god creator punish an innocent animal in such a cruel
>> fa****on?
>>
>> Logic and common sense refutes the existence of any omnipotent Gods
>>
>> Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not
omnipotent.
>> Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
>> Is he both able and willing? Then where does evil come from?
>> Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him a God?
>>
>> What distinguishes theology from mythology and astrology? All three are
>> founded on myth,
>>
>> folklore and legend. NONE are based on scientific knowledge and
>> objective,
>> verifiable, reproducible evidence.
>>
>> The religious faiths are not founded on faith in God but faith in MEN.
>>
>> Religious texts? They were created centuries before the invention of
the
>> printing press. Written, interpreted, hand copied, modified, altered
and
>> recopied by hundreds of MEN over thousands of years by other MEN.
>> Inspired
>> by God? So MEN say. Which books are Scripture? The ones chosen by MEN.
>> What
>> do they mean? What MEN say they mean. Dictated by God? Just the
OPINION
>> of
>> errant MEN. What is God telling you? Whatever MEN (ordinary selfish.
self
>> promoting, errant humans) CLAIM he is telling you. These religious
texts
>> are
>> nothing but folklore, myth, contradictory and impossible stories
created
>> by
>> MEN. There is not one shred of objective verifiable evidence that ANY
of
>> these ancient do***ents are the word of ANY God. The objective EVIDENCE
>> is
>> they are pure myths and fables.
>>
>> Of all the THOUSANDS of God beliefs and claims, how do we know which is
>> the
>> real God and which are fakes? What MEN tell their flock is the real
God!
>>
>> Since no real God shows up in person from the heavens, or on
>> International
>> TV, Radio, or the Internet to give us anything to believe in, the only
>> option available to us is to put our trust in what selfish errant MEN
say
>> and think about Gods. To put one's faith in the stories, superstitions,
>> myths and subjective thoughts and feelings of ancient MEN, of unknown
>> veracity, is not faith in God, but faith in errant MEN. Faith in what
>> greedy
>> avaricious MEN, who we have never met and have NO objective knowledge
of
>> their veracity and honesty. Ultimately, it is faith in MEN not in any
>> God!
>>
>> Real objective scientifically based evidence about the Universe and
life
>> on
>> earth has only developed and become general knowledge in the past 300
>> years.
>> Before the modern age, knowledge of life and the world was base on no
>> more
>> than myths, fables and man's opinions and unsubstantiated conjecture.
>> There
>> have been thousands of different and contradictory god beliefs over the
>> centuries.
>>
>> I challenge any religious follower to provide objective verifiable
>> reproducible evidence that their God is real.
>>
>> It appears that ALL Gods are fakes and inventions of selfish errant
MEN.
>> Man's
>> almost uncontrollable fear of the finality of death has caused him to
>> create
>> a mythical after life.
>>
>> The objective evidence is rather obvious, NO GODS CREATED MAN but quite
>> the
>> opposite; that MAN HAS CREATED THOUSANDS OF IMAGINARY GODS!
>
> REPLY: Ardent 'atheists' are not interested in the evidence, they
> wont consider the evidence if it comes from a christian website or a
> christian in a NG, they come to the table with a personal
> philosophical bias , they have resigned to pretend to follow
> absurdities like Rocks,Dirt, and Hydrogen Gas giving us our non-
> material Personality Traits of morality, love, abstract thinking,
> anxiety, compassion, empathy, et al.., and when they were between
> 3-6 years old, they knew intrinsically that there has to be a personal
> Creator for all they can take in thru thier senses when they asked :"
> Who made all of this?" or " Why are we here" ? They never thought of
> Rocks and Dirt giving them their personality makeup , nor would they
> ever be so silly to bring up this fantasy that 'atheist' adults are
> forced to hold to cause they dont want the Creator to exist. Hope
> this little treatise on what takes place in an 'atheists' mind, helps
> shed light on the situation. No offense intended...but, its the
> reality of an 'atheists' MO.
Where are you getting this crap from, JYoung and
why aren't you giving the actual writer their credit?
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