On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 02:07:30 -0500, Pastor Frank wrote:
> "bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> MarkA wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:40:06 -0500, Pastor Frank wrote:
>>> > "bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> > news:474F9A78.586A0387@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> >> Pastor Frank wrote:
>>> >>> "Bill M" <wmech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> >>> news:eo03j.3611$vt2.1801@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> >>> > "Pastor Frank" <PF@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>> >>> >> "MarkA" <nobody@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> >>> >> news:pan.2007.11.25.01.36.41.152441@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> >>> >>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:48:57 +0000, Bill M wrote:
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> There are thousands of different God beliefs.
>>> >>> >>>> If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so
>>> >>> >>>> terribly
>>> >>> >>>> misled?
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> It's pretty clear that IF God is going to send you to Hell for
>>> >>> >>> not
>>> >>> >>> believing in Him, as some of His followers claim, and IF said
God
>>> >>> >>> does
>>> >>> >>> not
>>> >>> >>> provide clear and convincing evidence of His existence, THEN
said
>>> >>> >>> God
>>> >>> >>> cannot be considered "loving", "just", or "merciful." If God
is
>>> >>> >>> not
>>> >>> >>> loving/just/merciful, He may very well be cruel, petty, and
>>> >>> >>> sadistic,
>>> >>> >>> in which case He may send you to Hell even if you DO follow
all
>>> >>> >>> the "rules."
>>> >>> >>> ERGO: live your life the way that seems right to YOU, and
don't
>>> >>> >>> worry
>>> >>> >>> about what other people say God expects of you. If you hold
>>> >>> >>> yourself
>>> >>> >>> to
>>> >>> >>> a
>>> >>> >>> high standard of conduct, you will have nothing to be ashamed
of
>>> >>> >>> in
>>> >>> >>> the
>>> >>> >>> unlikely event that there really is a God who will judge you
when
>>> >>> >>> you
>>> >>> >>> die.
>>> >>> >>> If God punishes people for doing their best, then He is a
cruel
>>> >>> >>> sadist,
>>> >>> >>> in which case we are all ****ed anyway.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> It's not what YOU do that matters, it is what Christ did FOR
>>> >>> >> YOU
>>> >>> >> that
>>> >>> >> matters and what saves you.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > What did your imaginary Christ do for me???
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> It is the Father taking your guilt upon Himself.
>>> >>
>>> >> Primitive nonsense
>>> >>
>>> > Yea! In your world Bob, fathers never take any responsibility
for
>>> > their
>>> > children upon themselves. The kid either swims or sinks. "Primitive
>>> > nonsense" indeed!!!!
>>>
>>> So, how does the Father, God, absolve his own guilt for making us
prone
>>> to
>>> sin, then puni****ng us for being sinners? He sounds like a real nut
>>> case.
>>
>> Not surprising as the whole myth was made up by early middle eastern
goat
>> and
>> sheep herders
>>
> There you go again with your bigotry Bob!! Show that those "early
middle
> eastern goat and
> sheep herders" you look down on so much are devoid of wisdom and the
> knowledge of what is right, proper and virtuous, or that those virtues
can
> only be the product of modern science.
My, what a lovely straw man you have, there, Frank. Did it take long to
build?
The Bronze Age goat herders were plenty wise *in their day*, that is why
their writings have survived. However, we have learned a *few* new things
in the ensuing 4,000 years. Some of us have, at least. Others,
curiously, are *proud* to reject any information that is more recent than
that.
--
MarkA
(My OTHER sig line is clever)
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