On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:05:52 -0500, Pastor Frank wrote:
> "MarkA" <toor@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:40:06 -0500, Pastor Frank wrote:
>>> "bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>>> Pastor Frank wrote:
>>>>> "Bill M" <wmech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> news:eo03j.3611$vt2.1801@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> > "Pastor Frank" <PF@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> > news:474c7745$0$26052$88260bb3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> >> "MarkA" <nobody@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> >> news:pan.2007.11.25.01.36.41.152441@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>> >>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:48:57 +0000, Bill M wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> There are thousands of different God beliefs.
>>>>> >>>> If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so
>>>>> >>>> terribly
>>>>> >>>> misled?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> It's pretty clear that IF God is going to send you to Hell for
not
>>>>> >>> believing in Him, as some of His followers claim, and IF said
God
>>>>> >>> does
>>>>> >>> not
>>>>> >>> provide clear and convincing evidence of His existence, THEN
said
>>>>> >>> God
>>>>> >>> cannot be considered "loving", "just", or "merciful." If God is
>>>>> >>> not
>>>>> >>> loving/just/merciful, He may very well be cruel, petty, and
>>>>> >>> sadistic,
>>>>> >>> in which case He may send you to Hell even if you DO follow all
>>>>> >>> the "rules."
>>>>> >>> ERGO: live your life the way that seems right to YOU, and don't
>>>>> >>> worry
>>>>> >>> about what other people say God expects of you. If you hold
>>>>> >>> yourself
>>>>> >>> to
>>>>> >>> a
>>>>> >>> high standard of conduct, you will have nothing to be ashamed of
in
>>>>> >>> the
>>>>> >>> unlikely event that there really is a God who will judge you
when
>>>>> >>> you
>>>>> >>> die.
>>>>> >>> If God punishes people for doing their best, then He is a cruel
>>>>> >>> sadist,
>>>>> >>> in which case we are all ****ed anyway.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> It's not what YOU do that matters, it is what Christ did FOR
YOU
>>>>> >> that
>>>>> >> matters and what saves you.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > What did your imaginary Christ do for me???
>>>>> >
>>>>> It is the Father taking your guilt upon Himself.
>>>>
>>>> Primitive nonsense
>>>>
>>> Yea! In your world Bob, fathers never take any responsibility for
>>> their
>>> children upon themselves. The kid either swims or sinks. "Primitive
>>> nonsense" indeed!!!!
>>
>> So, how does the Father, God, absolve his own guilt for making us prone
to
>> sin, then puni****ng us for being sinners? He sounds like a real nut
case.
>> Does he have some other god to be HIS scapegoat?
>> And, how does letting someone else, Jesus in this case, take the
>> punishment that you deserve, constitute "taking responsibility"? Seems
>> like just the opposite to me: Jesus is the ultimate patsy, and you are
>> all OK with that.
>>
> The god or devil of your definition doesn't exist. Jesus IS our God
> incarnate.
Sorry, my mistake. I assumed your religion was based on the Bible.
Apparently, I'm mistaken.
> You believe in evolution, don't you? Can't you see that all of creation
> is in the process of perfection and that God, the ideal of perfection is
> therefore eternally in the process of becoming?
Actually, no, I don't see that at all.
--
MarkA
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