Michael Gray wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:56:42 +0000, les_on_usenet
> <delete-unread@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> >On 29 Nov 2007 23:13:01 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>Pastor Frank wrote:
> >>
> >>> "bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >>> news:474E41D8.240850C1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> > Bill M wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Your information makes sense. I appreciate it.
> >>> >> From my stand point, I interpret words as they are defined in the
> >>> >> dictionary - not as they are defined by individuals. You have
provided
> >>> >> evidence he is creating his own personal definitions of words.
Either
> >>> >> that
> >>> >> or I am completely misunderstanding him
> >>> >
> >>> > But from my recollection this is a fairly recent tack and one
which PF did
> >>> > not
> >>> > use eighteen months ago.
> >>> > his new line is his efforts to get out of having to prove that his
god
> >>> > exists.
> >>> > He can't of course so he adopted this love creation as the next
best
> >>> > thing.
> >>> > As I have just asked PF, since his god was supposed to have
created the
> >>> > universe, without humans on it [they came later] how could he have
done so
> >>> > if
> >>> > he required human love in the first place to actually perform as a
god?
> >>> > Over to you PF.
> >>> >
> >>> Like I said: Our God is the ideal we follow, which happens to be
love
> >>> and care as exemplified in Jesus Christ, our God incarnate. Only
love and
> >>> care makes life worth living, all else is mere commentary.
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>[How was this god supposed to have created the universe,
> >>without humans on it [they came later] how could he have done so
> >>if he required human love in the first place to actually perform as a
god?]
> >>
> >>
> >>Always the same dealing with religionists, they have one thing in
common, a
> >>brushed well practiced skill at 'dodging the issue'
> >>
> >>What a waster
> >
> >Love and caring is an essential part of all the higher evolved mammals
> >as we could not survive as a species without it. The most advanced of
> >mammals our young need care and nurturing into adulthood for
> >the longest time of any animal. This can only be achieved by stable
> >bonding between parents and off-spring and considerable sacrifice to
> >raise the child properly.
> >
> >This above passage of his is quite a puzzler:
> >
> >"Our God is the ideal we follow, which happens to be love
> >and care as exemplified in Jesus Christ, our God incarnate. "
> >
> >So, he is telling us his God is an evolved human emotion we all
> >share (well most of are capable of love even though it is
> >dormant in some)
> >
> >Incarnate means 'become man'
>
> Incarnate means "becomes flesh"
Another impossibility. Flesh is only derived from copulation, pregnancy
followed
by the birth process in the womb.
Religions rely heavily on 'weird phrases' we must make a list of them some
time.
>
>
> >So he is saying that a human emotion (love) became a human called
> >Jesus.
> >
> >Does this make any sense to you? It makes none to me.
> >
> >Heck humans have expressed love ever since we emerged as a
> >separate species over 100,00 years ago. You can see it
> >in the eye of every proud mother with her new born baby.
> >She would sacrifice her own life to protect it. That applies to all
> >the higher mammals too it is in our genes. We need no mythical
> >Jesus to show or teach us us that.
> >
> >
> >
> >Les Hellawell
> >Greetings from
> >YORK****RE - The White Rose County
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