Pastor Frank wrote:
> "MarkA" <toor@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.11.30.12.56.39.792981@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:40:06 -0500, Pastor Frank wrote:
> >> "bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >> news:474F9A78.586A0387@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> Pastor Frank wrote:
> >>>> "Bill M" <wmech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >>>> news:eo03j.3611$vt2.1801@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>> > "Pastor Frank" <PF@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >>>> > news:474c7745$0$26052$88260bb3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>> >> "MarkA" <nobody@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >>>> >> news:pan.2007.11.25.01.36.41.152441@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>> >>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:48:57 +0000, Bill M wrote:
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> There are thousands of different God beliefs.
> >>>> >>>> If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so
> >>>> >>>> terribly
> >>>> >>>> misled?
> >>>> >>>
> >>>> >>> It's pretty clear that IF God is going to send you to Hell for
not
> >>>> >>> believing in Him, as some of His followers claim, and IF said
God
> >>>> >>> does
> >>>> >>> not
> >>>> >>> provide clear and convincing evidence of His existence, THEN
said
> >>>> >>> God
> >>>> >>> cannot be considered "loving", "just", or "merciful." If God
is
> >>>> >>> not
> >>>> >>> loving/just/merciful, He may very well be cruel, petty, and
> >>>> >>> sadistic,
> >>>> >>> in which case He may send you to Hell even if you DO follow all
> >>>> >>> the "rules."
> >>>> >>> ERGO: live your life the way that seems right to YOU, and don't
> >>>> >>> worry
> >>>> >>> about what other people say God expects of you. If you hold
> >>>> >>> yourself
> >>>> >>> to
> >>>> >>> a
> >>>> >>> high standard of conduct, you will have nothing to be ashamed
of in
> >>>> >>> the
> >>>> >>> unlikely event that there really is a God who will judge you
when
> >>>> >>> you
> >>>> >>> die.
> >>>> >>> If God punishes people for doing their best, then He is a cruel
> >>>> >>> sadist,
> >>>> >>> in which case we are all ****ed anyway.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> It's not what YOU do that matters, it is what Christ did FOR
YOU
> >>>> >> that
> >>>> >> matters and what saves you.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > What did your imaginary Christ do for me???
> >>>> >
> >>>> It is the Father taking your guilt upon Himself.
> >>>
> >>> Primitive nonsense
> >>>
> >> Yea! In your world Bob, fathers never take any responsibility for
> >> their
> >> children upon themselves. The kid either swims or sinks. "Primitive
> >> nonsense" indeed!!!!
> >
> > So, how does the Father, God, absolve his own guilt for making us
prone to
> > sin, then puni****ng us for being sinners? He sounds like a real nut
case.
> > Does he have some other god to be HIS scapegoat?
> > And, how does letting someone else, Jesus in this case, take the
> > punishment that you deserve, constitute "taking responsibility"?
Seems
> > like just the opposite to me: Jesus is the ultimate patsy, and you
are
> > all OK with that.
> >
> The god or devil of your definition doesn't exist. Jesus IS our God
> incarnate.
> You believe in evolution, don't you? Can't you see that all of creation
is
> in the process of perfection and that God, the ideal of perfection is
> therefore eternally in the process of becoming?
Evolution - perfection? what are you Frank blind?
There would not be space here to list the screw ups due to the random
process
of evolution.
If evolution were 'perfection' there would be no mentally insane, no freak
births.....etc...the list is as endless as evolution itself.
It is so random, in fact, that science claims almost every day some
species or
other dies out.
Our turn will come and then all the wailing to gods will be in vain.
>
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