MarkA wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:40:06 -0500, Pastor Frank wrote:
>
> > "bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> > news:474F9A78.586A0387@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Pastor Frank wrote:
> >>> "Bill M" <wmech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >>> news:eo03j.3611$vt2.1801@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> > "Pastor Frank" <PF@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >>> > news:474c7745$0$26052$88260bb3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> >> "MarkA" <nobody@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >>> >> news:pan.2007.11.25.01.36.41.152441@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> >>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:48:57 +0000, Bill M wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> There are thousands of different God beliefs.
> >>> >>>> If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so
> >>> >>>> terribly
> >>> >>>> misled?
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> It's pretty clear that IF God is going to send you to Hell for
not
> >>> >>> believing in Him, as some of His followers claim, and IF said
God
> >>> >>> does
> >>> >>> not
> >>> >>> provide clear and convincing evidence of His existence, THEN
said God
> >>> >>> cannot be considered "loving", "just", or "merciful." If God is
not
> >>> >>> loving/just/merciful, He may very well be cruel, petty, and
sadistic,
> >>> >>> in which case He may send you to Hell even if you DO follow all
> >>> >>> the "rules."
> >>> >>> ERGO: live your life the way that seems right to YOU, and don't
worry
> >>> >>> about what other people say God expects of you. If you hold
yourself
> >>> >>> to
> >>> >>> a
> >>> >>> high standard of conduct, you will have nothing to be ashamed of
in
> >>> >>> the
> >>> >>> unlikely event that there really is a God who will judge you
when you
> >>> >>> die.
> >>> >>> If God punishes people for doing their best, then He is a cruel
> >>> >>> sadist,
> >>> >>> in which case we are all ****ed anyway.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> It's not what YOU do that matters, it is what Christ did FOR
YOU
> >>> >> that
> >>> >> matters and what saves you.
> >>> >
> >>> > What did your imaginary Christ do for me???
> >>> >
> >>> It is the Father taking your guilt upon Himself.
> >>
> >> Primitive nonsense
> >>
> > Yea! In your world Bob, fathers never take any responsibility for
their
> > children upon themselves. The kid either swims or sinks. "Primitive
> > nonsense" indeed!!!!
>
> So, how does the Father, God, absolve his own guilt for making us prone
to
> sin, then puni****ng us for being sinners? He sounds like a real nut
case.
Not surprising as the whole myth was made up by early middle eastern goat
and
sheep herders
>
> Does he have some other god to be HIS scapegoat?
>
> And, how does letting someone else, Jesus in this case, take the
> punishment that you deserve, constitute "taking responsibility"? Seems
> like just the opposite to me: Jesus is the ultimate patsy, and you are
> all OK with that.
>
> --
> MarkA
> (My OTHER sig line is clever)
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