On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:56:42 +0000, les_on_usenet
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> wrote:
>On 29 Nov 2007 23:13:01 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>Pastor Frank wrote:
>>
>>> "bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> news:474E41D8.240850C1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> > Bill M wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Your information makes sense. I appreciate it.
>>> >> From my stand point, I interpret words as they are defined in the
>>> >> dictionary - not as they are defined by individuals. You have
provided
>>> >> evidence he is creating his own personal definitions of words.
Either
>>> >> that
>>> >> or I am completely misunderstanding him
>>> >
>>> > But from my recollection this is a fairly recent tack and one which
PF did
>>> > not
>>> > use eighteen months ago.
>>> > his new line is his efforts to get out of having to prove that his
god
>>> > exists.
>>> > He can't of course so he adopted this love creation as the next best
>>> > thing.
>>> > As I have just asked PF, since his god was supposed to have created
the
>>> > universe, without humans on it [they came later] how could he have
done so
>>> > if
>>> > he required human love in the first place to actually perform as a
god?
>>> > Over to you PF.
>>> >
>>> Like I said: Our God is the ideal we follow, which happens to be
love
>>> and care as exemplified in Jesus Christ, our God incarnate. Only love
and
>>> care makes life worth living, all else is mere commentary.
>>
>>>
>>
>>[How was this god supposed to have created the universe,
>>without humans on it [they came later] how could he have done so
>>if he required human love in the first place to actually perform as a
god?]
>>
>>
>>Always the same dealing with religionists, they have one thing in
common, a
>>brushed well practiced skill at 'dodging the issue'
>>
>>What a waster
>
>Love and caring is an essential part of all the higher evolved mammals
>as we could not survive as a species without it. The most advanced of
>mammals our young need care and nurturing into adulthood for
>the longest time of any animal. This can only be achieved by stable
>bonding between parents and off-spring and considerable sacrifice to
>raise the child properly.
>
>This above passage of his is quite a puzzler:
>
>"Our God is the ideal we follow, which happens to be love
>and care as exemplified in Jesus Christ, our God incarnate. "
>
>So, he is telling us his God is an evolved human emotion we all
>share (well most of are capable of love even though it is
>dormant in some)
>
>Incarnate means 'become man'
Incarnate means "becomes flesh"
>So he is saying that a human emotion (love) became a human called
>Jesus.
>
>Does this make any sense to you? It makes none to me.
>
>Heck humans have expressed love ever since we emerged as a
>separate species over 100,00 years ago. You can see it
>in the eye of every proud mother with her new born baby.
>She would sacrifice her own life to protect it. That applies to all
>the higher mammals too it is in our genes. We need no mythical
>Jesus to show or teach us us that.
>
>
>
>Les Hellawell
>Greetings from
>YORK****RE - The White Rose County
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