On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:40:06 -0500, Pastor Frank wrote:
> "bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:474F9A78.586A0387@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Pastor Frank wrote:
>>> "Bill M" <wmech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> news:eo03j.3611$vt2.1801@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> > "Pastor Frank" <PF@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> > news:474c7745$0$26052$88260bb3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> >> "MarkA" <nobody@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> >> news:pan.2007.11.25.01.36.41.152441@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> >>> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:48:57 +0000, Bill M wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> There are thousands of different God beliefs.
>>> >>>> If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so
>>> >>>> terribly
>>> >>>> misled?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> It's pretty clear that IF God is going to send you to Hell for not
>>> >>> believing in Him, as some of His followers claim, and IF said God
>>> >>> does
>>> >>> not
>>> >>> provide clear and convincing evidence of His existence, THEN said
God
>>> >>> cannot be considered "loving", "just", or "merciful." If God is
not
>>> >>> loving/just/merciful, He may very well be cruel, petty, and
sadistic,
>>> >>> in which case He may send you to Hell even if you DO follow all
>>> >>> the "rules."
>>> >>> ERGO: live your life the way that seems right to YOU, and don't
worry
>>> >>> about what other people say God expects of you. If you hold
yourself
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> a
>>> >>> high standard of conduct, you will have nothing to be ashamed of
in
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> unlikely event that there really is a God who will judge you when
you
>>> >>> die.
>>> >>> If God punishes people for doing their best, then He is a cruel
>>> >>> sadist,
>>> >>> in which case we are all ****ed anyway.
>>> >>
>>> >> It's not what YOU do that matters, it is what Christ did FOR YOU
>>> >> that
>>> >> matters and what saves you.
>>> >
>>> > What did your imaginary Christ do for me???
>>> >
>>> It is the Father taking your guilt upon Himself.
>>
>> Primitive nonsense
>>
> Yea! In your world Bob, fathers never take any responsibility for
their
> children upon themselves. The kid either swims or sinks. "Primitive
> nonsense" indeed!!!!
So, how does the Father, God, absolve his own guilt for making us prone to
sin, then puni****ng us for being sinners? He sounds like a real nut case.
Does he have some other god to be HIS scapegoat?
And, how does letting someone else, Jesus in this case, take the
punishment that you deserve, constitute "taking responsibility"? Seems
like just the opposite to me: Jesus is the ultimate patsy, and you are
all OK with that.
--
MarkA
(My OTHER sig line is clever)
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