On 29 Nov 2007 23:13:01 -0600, bob young <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>Pastor Frank wrote:
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>> "bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> news:474E41D8.240850C1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Bill M wrote:
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>> >> Your information makes sense. I appreciate it.
>> >> From my stand point, I interpret words as they are defined in the
>> >> dictionary - not as they are defined by individuals. You have
provided
>> >> evidence he is creating his own personal definitions of words.
Either
>> >> that
>> >> or I am completely misunderstanding him
>> >
>> > But from my recollection this is a fairly recent tack and one which
PF did
>> > not
>> > use eighteen months ago.
>> > his new line is his efforts to get out of having to prove that his
god
>> > exists.
>> > He can't of course so he adopted this love creation as the next best
>> > thing.
>> > As I have just asked PF, since his god was supposed to have created
the
>> > universe, without humans on it [they came later] how could he have
done so
>> > if
>> > he required human love in the first place to actually perform as a
god?
>> > Over to you PF.
>> >
>> Like I said: Our God is the ideal we follow, which happens to be
love
>> and care as exemplified in Jesus Christ, our God incarnate. Only love
and
>> care makes life worth living, all else is mere commentary.
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>[How was this god supposed to have created the universe,
>without humans on it [they came later] how could he have done so
>if he required human love in the first place to actually perform as a
god?]
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>Always the same dealing with religionists, they have one thing in common,
a
>brushed well practiced skill at 'dodging the issue'
>
>What a waster
Love and caring is an essential part of all the higher evolved mammals
as we could not survive as a species without it. The most advanced of
mammals our young need care and nurturing into adulthood for
the longest time of any animal. This can only be achieved by stable
bonding between parents and off-spring and considerable sacrifice to
raise the child properly.
This above passage of his is quite a puzzler:
"Our God is the ideal we follow, which happens to be love
and care as exemplified in Jesus Christ, our God incarnate. "
So, he is telling us his God is an evolved human emotion we all
share (well most of are capable of love even though it is
dormant in some)
Incarnate means 'become man'
So he is saying that a human emotion (love) became a human called
Jesus.
Does this make any sense to you? It makes none to me.
Heck humans have expressed love ever since we emerged as a
separate species over 100,00 years ago. You can see it
in the eye of every proud mother with her new born baby.
She would sacrifice her own life to protect it. That applies to all
the higher mammals too it is in our genes. We need no mythical
Jesus to show or teach us us that.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORK****RE - The White Rose County
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