Your information makes sense. I appreciate it.
From my stand point, I interpret words as they are defined in the
dictionary - not as they are defined by individuals. You have provided
evidence he is creating his own personal definitions of words. Either that
or I am completely misunderstanding him
"les_on_usenet" <delete-unread@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:59:01 -0000, "Bill M" <wmech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Pastor Frank" <PF@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>news:474c776e$0$26052$88260bb3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> "Broderick Crawford" <bcrawford2150@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>> news:4749b637$0$2369$4c368faf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> Bill M wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There are thousands of different God beliefs.
>>>>> If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so
terribly
>>>>> misled?
>>>>
>>>> It's a made up Jew plot to take over the world. Jesus was a Jew, the
>>>> Jews thought the whole damn thing up way back in the first century.
>>>> All gods are made up hoaxes.
>>>>
>>> That applies only to the "god(s)" of your definition, probably some
>>> invisible, created and material entity. Our Christian God is an
>>> uncreated
>>> and eternal value.
>>>
>>> Pastor Frank
>>>
>>> Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested
>>> in
>>> Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary.
We
>>> therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
>>
>>This is love???
>>
>
>>Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
>>designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions,
Floods,
>>Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
>>serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect
and
>>punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both
young
>>and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish
>>millions
>>of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
>
> You are clearly misunderstanding PF here Bill. You need to read
> exactly what he is saying. He would consider the god you describe
> above as a 'god of our definition' though he confuses us with
> Christians here as they invented and defned this god not us.
>
> What you say is correct if this claimed god of theirs actually exists
> but this is not the same god PF talks about.
>
> If you read what he actually says he is telling you his god is an
> emotion (love) and a human value or ideal to aim for not a real
> being as invented by Christians. In more than one post he tells us
> his god is imaginary and does not exist 'out there' as the likes
> of Duke and other Christians claim. You have to recognise
> that there are different types of Christian and some, like
> Frank, do not base it in on a beleve in a real god some where
> 'out there'. No magic space pixie involved.
>
>
> His quote from the Bible mentions that whilst he can see his
> god we cannot. This is a somewhat obvious statement as only
> he can see what he is imagining.
>
> Quite why he wishes to elevate human emotion and human values
> annd ideals to the status of a gods is the thing that puzzles me
> about PF.
>
>
>>The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the
opposite;
>>that man created gods!
>
> That is exactly what he is telling you.
>
> Ask him to prove his god exists and this is what he will quote:
>
>> Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested
>> in
>> Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary.
>
> Nothing there about it actually existing: This is a very clear
> statement: 'Our Christian god is AN EMOTION' one that is shared by
> all higher social animals where offspring require long term nurturing
> in a stable protective environment before it ceases to be dependant.
>
> Emotions cannot create planets especially as there was no humans
> around at the time to love a planet into existence
>
>> We
>> therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
>
> Ony we can imagine our god. (only we elevate love to the status of
> a god??)
>
>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him,
>
> I cannot possibly see his imagination so I cannot see his love. That
> part is true as he only ever shows hatred towards us.
>
> As far as human emotions, ideals and values are concerned
> he seems one very confused person. I have never come across
> anybody before who elevates them to the status of gods then
> venerates and wor****ps them as if they are supernatural
> beings. Very strange.
>
>
>
> Les Hellawell
> Greetings from
> YORK****RE - The White Rose County
>
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