On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:59:01 -0000, "Bill M" <wmech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
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>"Pastor Frank" <PF@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> "Broderick Crawford" <bcrawford2150@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>> Bill M wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There are thousands of different God beliefs.
>>>> If there is a real God why would it permit his flock to be so
terribly
>>>> misled?
>>>
>>> It's a made up Jew plot to take over the world. Jesus was a Jew, the
>>> Jews thought the whole damn thing up way back in the first century.
>>> All gods are made up hoaxes.
>>>
>> That applies only to the "god(s)" of your definition, probably some
>> invisible, created and material entity. Our Christian God is an
uncreated
>> and eternal value.
>>
>> Pastor Frank
>>
>> Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested
in
>> Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
>> therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
>
>This is love???
>
>Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
>designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions,
Floods,
>Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
>serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect
and
>punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both
young
>and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish
millions
>of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
You are clearly misunderstanding PF here Bill. You need to read
exactly what he is saying. He would consider the god you describe
above as a 'god of our definition' though he confuses us with
Christians here as they invented and defned this god not us.
What you say is correct if this claimed god of theirs actually exists
but this is not the same god PF talks about.
If you read what he actually says he is telling you his god is an
emotion (love) and a human value or ideal to aim for not a real
being as invented by Christians. In more than one post he tells us
his god is imaginary and does not exist 'out there' as the likes
of Duke and other Christians claim. You have to recognise
that there are different types of Christian and some, like
Frank, do not base it in on a beleve in a real god some where
'out there'. No magic space pixie involved.
His quote from the Bible mentions that whilst he can see his
god we cannot. This is a somewhat obvious statement as only
he can see what he is imagining.
Quite why he wishes to elevate human emotion and human values
annd ideals to the status of a gods is the thing that puzzles me
about PF.
>The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the
opposite;
>that man created gods!
That is exactly what he is telling you.
Ask him to prove his god exists and this is what he will quote:
> Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested
in
> Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary.
Nothing there about it actually existing: This is a very clear
statement: 'Our Christian god is AN EMOTION' one that is shared by
all higher social animals where offspring require long term nurturing
in a stable protective environment before it ceases to be dependant.
Emotions cannot create planets especially as there was no humans
around at the time to love a planet into existence
> We
> therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
Ony we can imagine our god. (only we elevate love to the status of
a god??)
> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him,
I cannot possibly see his imagination so I cannot see his love. That
part is true as he only ever shows hatred towards us.
As far as human emotions, ideals and values are concerned
he seems one very confused person. I have never come across
anybody before who elevates them to the status of gods then
venerates and wor****ps them as if they are supernatural
beings. Very strange.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORK****RE - The White Rose County
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