On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:27:21 -0500, "rockymt" <rockymt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>When a Believer, a follower of Christ is faced with a crisis in his/her
>life; when he/she has just experience a grave disappointment or has just
>received news of a tragedy, a job loss, a spouse has broken the
news.,"
>its over, I want a divorce". A teenage child is hanging on by a thread to
>life due to a drug over-dose - the list goes on - they ask this similar
>question to the God they believe: "where are you! How could you let this
>happen. if you're an all powerful deity, then do something" We believers
cry
>out, even shake our fist at an image of Christ, a cross or crucifix. "
and
>say,"God where are You - do something!" God understands this response.
Really? How do you know that? Did Godİ tell you he understands while
totally ignoring your pain? Even most humans aren't that cold.
>
>This is the fallen condition all humanity is in. We believers and
>non-believers alike are in the same boat.
If you want to believe you are fallen, go ahead, but don't include me
in "your" boat. You describe Chris-believers as ineffectual,
irresponsible "victims" who sit around indulging in self-pitying
whining rather than looking around for the cause or the resolution to
a problem. That's not a boat I want to be in.
>We are like 'doubting Thomas'
>wanting answers, and saying to ourselves, "where, are the answers then.
Show
>me!
Show you? Find the answers for yourself, you sanctimonious, pompous
puler. Not everything is about you.
>Unless I have specific proof, I will not believe."
>Even Christians, who have trusted in God doubt, shake our fist and grow
>weary serving in this God that promises, " I will never leave you nor
>forsake you."
If you are pissed off at Godİ, that's your problem. I find it faintly
amusing that you invest so much anger and emotion in something that
can't be shown to have any reality. Have you also become angry at
Santa Claus for not bringing you that bicycle or the Easter Bunny for
not filling your pretty basket with chocolate eggs?
"Damn you, Tooth Fairy! I excepted a dollar not a stinking quarter. I
want answers!"
>
>We Christians have to keep going on despite the clouds of darkness and
doubt
>that gather about and brood over us.
You Christians are a gloomy lot.
>Yet we dare to keep the faith. We get
>angry because we don't have answers, and in that moment of extreme
darkness
>in our journey of life, we fail, but somehow recover and believe in our
>heart God will walk us through this.
In times of need, most people have friends that will help them through
the bad times. The difference between friends and Godİ is that
friends can actually do something.
>Non -believers say, "go on and show me. Where, where is this god." Show
me
>a thread of proof, show me the evidence. Where was your god when .... ":
so
>similar really.
Not similar at all. If an unbeliever asks for evidence, we are only
doing so to help the believer realize that there is none. We don't
really expect the believer to produce any.
>I sense they hurt almost the same as Christians do.
Gee, maybe Jews and Hindus and Moslems experience situations where
they hurt emotionally. Maybe even atheists have these emotions almost
like real people.
> They shake their fist,
>say things in the heat of that moment.
Mostly Damn . . . **** . . . or **** . . . but I can't remember ever
shaking my fist. I've only seen that particular action in cartoons.
> However they say it to those
>Christians (Christ -bearers) who are being made more and more in the
image
>and likeness of God. It is like down deep in their heart they want to,
>really want to believe... without demanding answers first. It's like
they
>hurt in just the same way as we Christians do
. . . almost like real people.
>
> My conclusion:
>
>I am not here to here to pass judgement on anyone .
You already have.
>Nor am I here to convert
>anyone: that is not my job.
Good thing since your little story is quite inane.
> I don't have the mind of a scientists or a
>naturalist.
No ****, Sherlock.
>I am here to encourage all unbelievers to ponder this existence
>and
>maybe look within ourselves.
>take care .. you'll,
Silly Christian.
Liz #658
I sometimes seek patterns in the chaos by watching "snow" on the screen
of an untuned television. But mostly it's just reruns. - whoiswho
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