"rockymt" <rockymt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> When a Believer, a follower of Christ is faced with a crisis in his/her
> life; when he/she has just experience a grave disappointment or has just
> received news of a tragedy, a job loss, a spouse has broken the
news.,"
> its over, I want a divorce". A teenage child is hanging on by a thread
to
> life due to a drug over-dose - the list goes on - they ask this similar
> question to the God they believe: "where are you! How could you let this
> happen. if you're an all powerful deity, then do something" We believers
> cry
> out, even shake our fist at an image of Christ, a cross or crucifix. "
> and
> say,"God where are You - do something!" God understands this response.
That's nice. Atheists don't do any of that.
> This is the fallen condition all humanity is in.
Only if the believer is right. If he's not, then he's deluded himself into
believing that that's the fallen condition of all humanity.
> We believers and
> non-believers alike are in the same boat.
Speak for yourself. I do not consider myself fallen.
For that matter, I don't consider you fallen. Just confused.
> We are like 'doubting Thomas'
> wanting answers, and saying to ourselves, "where, are the answers then.
> Show
> me! Unless I have specific proof, I will not believe."
No. Apparently you are like a believer being angry at the god he believes
in.
Atheists do not get angry at a god they do not believe in. That would be
silly.
> Even Christians, who have trusted in God doubt, shake our fist and grow
> weary serving in this God that promises, " I will never leave you nor
> forsake you."
If they would only come to their senses and discard the god idea entirely,
perhaps they wouldn't be so weary from shaking their fist at something
that
doesn't exist.
> We Christians have to keep going on despite the clouds of darkness and
> doubt
> that gather about and brood over us. Yet we dare to keep the faith.
That only means that if you're wrong, you're determined to remain wrong no
matter what.
That's just stupid.
> We get
> angry because we don't have answers, and in that moment of extreme
> darkness
> in our journey of life, we fail, but somehow recover and believe in our
> heart God will walk us through this.
Why not walk through it yourself. Billions of people do it everyday.
> Non -believers say, "go on and show me. Where, where is this god." Show
> me
> a thread of proof, show me the evidence. Where was your god when .... ":
> so
> similar really.
No, not at all. They're not angry at the god like the believer is, they're
annoyed at the actual believer himself for making statements based on no
evidence. That's a perfectly justified attitude.
> I sense they hurt almost the same as Christians do.
How nice that you think atheists can feel pain almost like real people.
> They shake their fist,
> say things in the heat of that moment.
Yes. We all do. It's part of being human.
> However they say it to those
> Christians (Christ -bearers) who are being made more and more in the
image
> and likeness of God.
That's a fine example of those annoying, evidence-free statements
mentioned
earlier.
If it were true, all believers would look more and more the same. Or were
you using your own private definitions for common English words?
> It is like down deep in their heart they want to,
> really want to believe... without demanding answers first. It's like
they
> hurt in just the same way as we Christians do
Wow. The condescention is almost palpable.
Yes, in times of turmoil, humans are often tempted to tread the easy path
of
irrationality.
> My conclusion:
>
> I am not here to here to pass judgement on anyone .
Yet you've made your judgment quite clear.
> Nor am I here to convert
> anyone: that is not my job.
And that's a lie that you admit to below.
> I don't have the mind of a scientists or a
> naturalist.
Or rationalist.
> I am here to encourage all unbelievers to ponder this existence and
> maybe look within ourselves.
Uh huh. ...and then maybe we'll become believers too?
You are here to convert, plain and simple. At least have the courage to
admit it.
> take care .. you'll,
> rockymt
I'll what?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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