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> On 8 nov, 05:28, "rockymt" <rock...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> I can understand that many of you who frequent these newsgroups expect
>> scientific proof/evidence and no less. I also understand how many of
you
>> would perceive your 'reality' world and those who embrace the
Christian
>> or
>> a Monotheistic faith to be in complete opposition. A lot of what I'm
>> hearing, at a much deeper level is that it is just too painful...
>> impossible for me to listen to you let alone believe in a god with the
>> state
>> this world is in. Apart from those who do not believe in God, we'd
>> probably
>> tolerate each other, maybe even agree on other topics, such as
hobbies,
>> literature, s****ts travel etc. Maybe even come to enjoy each others
>> company( outside of this newsgroup or in person), and even like one
>> another.
>> Who knows. What bothers me is that most are not just disagreeing,
they're
>> offending, insulting, making those that disagree, feel unwelcome, and
>> carrying on as though there were more than this one major difference(
>> like
>> people born in nations that are in political turmoil). Work associates
(
>> for example) whom after I've come to know personally,(over a year or
so)
>> begin discussing the deeper thing, to even religion and faith in a
god.
>> Our
>> differences surface, yet we don't stoop to degrading, offensive
language.
>> This is most likely because we've come to accept and respect one
another.
>> There is a foundation built of mutual respect.
>> beneath all this 'tit for tat' dialogue, there is something more...
much
>> more we can offer one another. It's to bad it has to be like this so
>> much-
>> wish it'd tone down. I know this is not a friend****p newsgroup, but at
a
>> deeper level I feel for each and everyone of you, good bad or
>> indifferent.
>> And I know we don't really mean those hurtful things we say.
>>
>> take you all,
>> rockymt
>
> When I read the subject line "On differences" I already suspected it
> to mean "on differences of opinion". However most people have no
> difference of opinion upon the fact that it is not about opinion at
> all. Many (yes many) agree on the fact that it is just about "me"
> being right and all the "others" being wrong.
> The only difference being that they have a different "me" in mind.
>
> I am no exception to the rule. Of course I think I am right!
> If I thought I wasn't I would change my opinion, whereafter -
> nescessarily - I would think I was right again:-)
>
> A lot of the problems would cease to exist if people only would
> philosophically adept the insights of Einstein and Heissenberg.
>
> Einstein discovered that all observations by all observers are qually
> valid. Even if they seem to contradict each other. He found out the
> Lorenz transformation would solve that problem. (it really IS
> different when you see it from the other point of view)
> Thus we should realize that truth depends on your point of view and is
> not the property of any one viewpoint in particular.
> Absolute thruth therefor is unavailable.
>
> Heissenberg found out that in order to gain knowledge of anything we
> must make an observation, but an observation is not mere
> contemplation. In fact any physical observation changes reality, so
> that we cannot merely observe but have to become part of the
> observation (I see the effect of a foton strinking MY retina)
> Objective truth therefor is unavailable.
>
> However this realization only leads to more clashes on the Newsgroup.
> A-theism is by it's name calling for theism to react. And a theist
> always claims there a special viewpoint more valid than any other
> (that of God) and they claim there is absolute truth (and God has it).
>
> So even those of us, who realize that there is no absolute and
> objective truth get contstantly into clashes which those who do :-(
>
> Not being able to miraculously chance reality, I fear we have to live
> with that.
>
> Polite greetings,
>
>
> Peter van Velzen
> November 2007
> Amstelveen
> The Netherlands
><><><>,.
Well said. I had to read it over a few times, but well put. All that
remains( if possible) is a common ground where I am not insisting I am
right
they are dead wrong, " you idiot!". The reality is that there always
remains stark differences between the theists and those that insist there
is no such entity (with absolute truth...with absolute morality). we can
strive to debate it without insulting...offending or making disparaging
remarks, however emotionally charged the topic for discussion be.
thanks kindly for responding,
rockymt
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