In article "Pastor Frank" <PF@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Subject: Re: GOD MYTHS AND FABLES
> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 02:37:12 -0500
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> "skyeyes" <skyeyes@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Nov 6, 10:09 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> On Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:19:17 -0800, skyeyes <skye...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >That's because they're scared ****less of dying and having to be
> >> >dead. They can't wrap their heads around the fact that their
> >> >consciousness will one day cease. The wanna Live Forever. They
are,
> >> >at best, craven cowards, and at worst, mentally unbalanced.
> >>
> >> Is it that, or is it that they fear some horrible fate if they die
> >> unsaved (or whatever the proper phrase may be)? (I don't know - I've
> >> never been any kind of theist.)
> >
> > Having grown up a fundie, all the people I saw around me were afraid
> > of Eternal Damnation. But then again, they *were* fundies, so that
> > wasn't especially surprising, having had belief in afterlife with
> > heaven or hell thundered at them incessantly for most of their lives.
> > But when I got out into Real Life and started meeting people who
> > *weren't* fundies, I found that a scary lot of them were frightened,
> > not of the biblical lake of fire or everlasting torment, but of
> > *ceasing to exist*. Such people, I've found, are particularly
> > vulnerable to religious conversion. They'd rather believe that they
> > *might* be tortured everlastingly than face the possibility that their
> > conscious mind is simply going to be extinguished. Most of them seem
> > to think that they'll be able to experience nonbeing, nonsensical as
> > that sounds. So they opt for a salvationist religion, which assures
> > them they'll *always* be conscious. Secondarily, they worry about
> > going to heaven; but hell, apparently, is preferrable to oblivion.
> > And no, it makes no sense whatsoever.
> > Brenda
> >
> No. We know in faith, that dying is waking up to a new and greater
> reality. Those who spent their lives glorifying, praising and
wor****pping
> will wake up in heaven where there is plenty to praise and be thankful
> about. Those who spent their lives complaining, tra****ng and flaming on
the
> other hand, will wake up in hell where there is plenty to complain about
and
> where its denizen can spend an eternity doing that activity.
> It's everyone's choice to what he will wake up to, therefore choose
> wisely while you can.
You can't "know in faith". If you know something, then no faith
is necessary. If faith is required, then it's because the thing
is not known with certainty.
-- cary
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