GOOD LOGIC AND EVIDENCE!
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> rockymt wrote:
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>> "Bill M" <wmech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > "rockymt" <rockymt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> "Bill M" <wmech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>> Short for nothing.
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>> >>> "bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>>He( Jesus) is the only true God, and all you need to believe in. He
is
>> >>>unique, from the fable gods because He conquered hell, death and the
>> >>>grave. He is Risen and alive today.
>> >> Christ Jesus co-eternal, co-creator with the Father and the Holy
>> >> Spirit,
>> >> transcendent, ( beyond time and space-- /He created time and space),
>> >> pre-eminent... but most im****tantly He is my Risen Savoir Who has
made
>> >> it
>> >> possible for me to follow him beyond the grave, and walk here on
>> >> earth
>> >> the newness of life.
>> >
>> > The Jesus story is totally implausible. It is not sup****ted by any
>> > solid
>> > objective verifiable evidence
>>
>> . Should we believe in a god for whom there
>> > is NO solid objective evidence?
>>
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>> ><><><
>> this is a question only you can ask yourself.
>> Is Jesus the only begotten son of God : true God, true man?
>> Did He come out of the grave, did He ascend to heaven to be with his
>> father?
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> No - what you quote is merely mythology with nothing to back it up.
>
>>
>> what does this all mean to me?
>> it requires you humble yourself, and seek this God out
>> Is it true that you love me that you would send Jesus, your only
begotten
>> Son, so I may have eternal life?
>> Go to the Word of God....
>
> there's no words from any gods ever recorded, it all comes from the
human
> mind
>
>>
>> in humility. Put aside all your serious doubts for a while. read a
little
>> everyday , and ask this "higher power if there is a higher power" to
>> reveal
>> what those words say.
>
> I would ask the higher power why two thousand kids were allowed to be
> swept out
> to sea to drown in the tsunami two Cristmases back - and all i would
hear
> would
> be a terrible silence
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>> The evidence available is quite the
>> > contrary. It is totally implausible! This Jesus belief is
>>
>> <><><
>> <><>.....
>> based purely on
>> > faith
>>
>> Right! Stop reasoning. you'll never understand it with your mind. You
>> must
>> come to God in faith.
>>
>> <><><>
>> <><>
>> in totally implausible stories, not factual objective verifiable
>> > evidence of any kind.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The Bibles were written recopied and modified by hundreds of men of
>> > unknown veracity and honesty over a time span of several thousands
>> > years.
>> > There are NO ORIGINALS IN EXISTENCE. What ever the originals were
have
>> > rotted and disappeared thousands of years ago. We don't know what the
>> > originals said.
>>
>> <><><><><>
>> what is impossible for man is very possible with God. God can and did
>> preserve is Holy Word. Again you must come to this truth by faith,
>> trusting.
>> Faith is caught not taught.
>> ><><><
>> ]<><><><>
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>> The Bibles are nothing more than a mixture of myths, fables,
>> > contradictions and impossible tales. There are 18 different versions
>> > alone
>> > of the English Bible interpretations.
>>
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>> <><><
>> so says the carnal mind. Mmm.
>> God through man has supernaturally preserved the book s in the Bible,
and
>> don't ask me to provide truth. All I can say is that it still changes
>> lives,
>> and it can yours too.
>>
>> <><><
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>> >
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>> > According to the Bibles, God supposedly created the heavens, the
earth
>> > and
>> > everything in it in six days. Adam, the original man was created
during
>> > this time from 'DUST'. His mate, Eve was created from one of Adam's
>> > RIBS.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > According to the Bibles this all powerful omnipotent God supposedly
>> > created this huge complex Universe in six days!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > This God supposedly came to earth over 2,000 years ago as a man named
>> > Jesus to save mankind from the sins that God himself created and to
>> > preach
>> > his wishes and commands. Archeological evidence indicates 'modern'
man
>> > has
>> > existed approximately 100,000 years. Why did god wait all those years
>> > to
>> > come to earth to preach his word and pay for man's sins (which he
>> > himself
>> > created!)?
>>
>> <><><>
>>
>> <><><>,
>>
>> The Bible says he came in the fullness of time
>> God's ways, God's reasons for the specifics of His salvation plan are
>> really
>> not for me to question
>> the Cross ( the atoning death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus
Christ)
>> and
>> the cleansing blood of Christ Jesus, washed my sins, therefore I am
made
>> (imputed) righteous in God's eyes John : 3: 16
>> That is where to begin. The others more heavier Theological questions
>> shouldn't really concern the new believer...just yet. unless he is
>> looking
>> to find fault and not really interested in salvation of his soul.
>> <>><><>,.
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > This all powerful creator of this huge Universe supposedly came to
>> > Earth
>> > as a baby in a cold manger, in the middle of winter and was born of a
>> > virgin called Mary. Why would he choose to be born in such an
ingenuous
>> > way?
>> <>><><
>> Arrogant humans had to make up a myth
>> about a god arriving from the womb of another human.
>>
>> ><><><>
>> <><>
>> Arrogant humans keep insisting it is a myth, because they hate the
terms
>> of
>> salvation. God Jesus died for the Church.
>> He has used man to spread the message of His redemptive plan. God said
NO
>> to
>> sin: it has to go, and YES to sinful man. People that hate
>> Christianity,do
>> so because they love the sin and do not want to deal with their sinful
>> condition. Just read the opening Chapter of John. sinful man love the
>> darkness they are in and refuse to come into the light of God's truth,
so
>> they do what is convenient. They point out what appears to look like
>> man-made errors in the Bible.
>>
>> ><<><><>
>>
>> Jesus was supposedly born of a Virgin Mary and she was the wife of
>> > Joseph, why was she still a virgin? Why did the women need to be
>> > married
>> > to a mortal in order to give birth to a god? And why couldn't this
all
>> > powerful god creator just come to earth in what ever form he chose to
>> > create? He supposedly created the Universe and everything in it!
>>
>> ><><><><>
>> <><><>
>> Joseph was the earthly parent of Jesus while He was growing up. God is
>> also
>> pro-family. Why should Mary, the mother of Jesus, been a single mom
>> (we're
>> speaking here of earthly parents)?
>>
>> Mary had to be a virgin: she was concieved by the power of the Holy
>> Spirit>
>> Again thenatural mind doesnot accept this and calls it nonsense.
>> I call it amasing ...by faith.
>>
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>> >
>> >
>> > If he could create Adam instantly from dust and Eve from a rib, why
did
>> > he
>> > use this slow tortuous means to create himself as a god man on
earth???
>>
>> <><><>
>> ,.<><><<><
>> All childbirth has been painful since the fall in Genesis 3. the curse
of
>> mankind
>>
>> The cross was torturous. God the father laid all the sins of mankind on
>> the
>> incarnated Son,God-man. Again this goes into Christian theology.
>>
>> He supposedly grew up as a normal child and worked as a carpenter as an
>> > adult. There are no details in the Bibles about his younger years.
>> > After
>> > about THIRTY YEARS, he supposedly announced to the local inhabitants
>> > that
>> > he was Jesus the God savior from heaven to tell them God's wishes and
>> > commands.
>>
>> <><><><>
>> ,><><><>
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>> The New Test deals primarily with the earthly ministry of Christ Jesus.
>> His
>> childhood accounts wouldn't be relevant to a believer... really if you
>> think
>> about it, as much as when He was speaking of the Kingdom to the cross.
>>
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>> >> What about you... what do you want to believe... what do you believe
>> >> to
>> >> be truth and fables?
>> >> The Kingdom of Heaven is like a hidden treasure...Seek Him while you
>> >> may.
>> >>
>> >> rockymt
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