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> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 07:42:17 -0400, in alt.atheism
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>>"Free Lunch" <lunch@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:10:45 -0500, in alt.atheism
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>>>>>>On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:48:25 -0500, Free Lunch
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>>>>>>>On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 08:41:01 -0500, in alt.atheism
>>>>>>>duke <duckgumbo32@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>>On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:24:35 +0100, "Bill M" <wmech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>>wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>I find it dumbfounding that religionists spend billions of their
>>>>>>>>>dollars and
>>>>>>>>>waste thousands of hours of their time adulating gods for which
>>>>>>>>>there
>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>NO-NADA objective verifiable evidence for their existence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>There is evidence for us. But then again, we don't turn a blind
eye
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>facts like you do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There is no evidence to sup****t your claims about gods, souls,
heaven
>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>hell. None at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Get your head out of the atheist swill.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your total inability to offer sup****ting facts appears to be getting
>>>>> to
>>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>>I have faith. the kingdom of God is not about science facts for your
>>>>info
>>>>... or my coming up with proof for the finite mind.
>>>
>>> Fine, you have faith. Why is your faith better or more reliable than
the
>>> faith that others have?
>>
>>The resurrected Christ . no other faith can claim this All of
>>Christianity
>>hindges on this " can't be proven, but accepted with a child-like faith"
>>fact.
>
> Yes, Christianity claims that Christ was resurrected. No evidence
> sup****ts that claim or any of the other claims about Jesus' godhood.
> Islam says that God is merciful and didn't need to create an avatar to
> kill.
>
>> Why is your religion better than someone else's?
>>
>>I accept Christianity to nbe the only true faith. the other don't even
>>count. they are man - made religions.
>
> Then there must be evidence that Christianity is not. Please provide it.
>>
>>> I don't care if you have faith, but would you deny physical evidence
>>> because it donesn't fit with doctrines that you believe?
>>
>>I don't care if faith? what then should I say about your petty doubts?
>>God
>>is infinite, man has finite understanding. period.
>
> Nice rhetoric, but it doesn't answer a question.
>
>>>>the kingdom of God is about accepting the infinite, all knowing, all
>>>>powerful God with a childlike trust. If you don't accept the kingdom
of
>>>>God
>>>>like this kind of child-like faith, you are not worthy of the Kingdom
>>>>and
>>>>will not enter it until you do, if you do. It is birthed within our
>>>>heart
>>>>and its fulfilment is Christ's return.
>>>
>>> That's an interesting claim.
>>
>>eternal damnation -Jesus took on our sin, so we wouldn't have to go
there
>
> Why was that necessary? Why couldn't God have shown the mercy He shows
> in Islam, without the death of Jesus?
>
>>> Why should anyone accept it?
>>
>>tired of running from God.. sick and tired of being sick and tired.
>>Something better :the kingdom of God - Jesus Christ
>
> What is the Kingdom of God? Where is it? Why is your version right
> (other than your mere assertion)?
>
>>>>within this heart that has the kingdom of God germinating, God's
>>>>revelation
>>>>is granted
>>>>Christianity is all about the Kingdom. the natural mind cannot
>>>>understand
>>>>the things of the spiritual world of the Kingdom to come, because it
is
>>>>spiritual appraised. So it is no wonder that those who say, "show me
>>>>the
>>>>proof" have nothing else but what they see with their natural eyes...
>>>>and
>>>>often stoop to insulting God's children.
>>>
>>> I ask for evidence, not proof. You honestly admit you have none. Fine.
>>
>>look, faith is a thing of the heart, either you want to believe or you
>>don't. it is that simple.
>
> Yes, and more people believe religions that are not Christian than
> believe Christianity. Within Christianity, there are thousands of
> differing doctrines. Why is Christianity trustworthy?
>
>>This infinite God knows what to reveal to the heart(God will never bend
to
>>the sceptic mind)
>
> Why not?
>
>> and what not to .
>
> So God does not offer grace to all.
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> So God does not offer grace to all.
God loves the sinner, and hates the sin. We live in a graceless world. God
is the God of grace
He is also the God of mercy and compassion.
> Yes, and more people believe religions that are not Christian than
> believe Christianity. Within Christianity, there are thousands of
> differing doctrines. Why is Christianity trustworthy?
this is something I cannot honestly answer. It is revealed to the heart by
the holy Spirit. There are also doctrines of demons :lies to lead the
faithful astray.But regarding core doctrine, mainstream Christian
denominations usually agree. The Holy Spirit makes the Word come alive,
makes it personal, makes it real & up close as the Christian reads and
studies his/her daily devotions.
What is the Kingdom of God? Where is it?
the kingdom of God begins within the heart of man as he/she grows and
walks
in wholesome, righteous Christian living. it is to be lived out in this
the
dispensation( age) of the Church until Christ returns, where His kingdom,
the government of Jesus Christ will reign in its fulfillment, forever.
Why is your version right
> (other than your mere assertion)?
I don't claim my version to be right. It's what I believe in my heart to
be true. I have no way of presenting to you any evidence., other than to
believe what Jesus Christ said, "I am the way the truth, and the life -
no
man comes to the Father but through me"
I am a believer...I am a follower of Christ therefore, however badly at
times I may be at that. I ask for God's grace to live right in His eyes.
Yes, Christianity claims that Christ was resurrected. No evidence
> sup****ts that claim or any of the other claims about Jesus' godhood.
> Islam says that God is merciful and didn't need to create an avatar to
> kill.
>
Again it is what I choose to believe: I believe this to be the truth, that
God the Father sent His only begotten Son, Jesus to pay the sin debt, a
Propitiation for the sin of all mankind: Jesus became the lamb of God Who
takes away the sins of the world.In exchange we are credited God's
righteousness. Jesus paid a debt he did not owe. I owed a debt I could not
pay. This I plainly accept, by faith... because it is the only way to
believe the cross, burial and the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the son of
God, second person of the trinity - by faith
"I don't care if you have faith"
I pray that you will someday
this is the only way to come to the faith: by faith, that is to come to
an
understanding of the K O God, to enjoy the presence of the Holy Spirit..
to
live the Christian life with assurance. How can fact and faith co-exist in
the Christian walk.
"the natural mind cannot understand these spiritual things ( they are
foolishness to him/her) because they are spiritually appraised."
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