Re: QUESTION FOR RELIGIONISTS

Al Klein <rukbat@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:45:49 GMT, Will <someone@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>Al Klein <rukbat@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:37:33 GMT, Will <someone@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> wrote:
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>>>>"Bill M" <wmech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> There are many hundreds of religious and god beliefs.
>>>>> 
>>>>> How do you know your belief is the correct belief and all the 
others
>>>>> are fakes?
>>>>
>>>>By the daily miracles, signs, and wonders.  By the prophecies that
>>>>have been fulfilled, and are still being fulfilled today?  By the
>>>>grace that He has extended me.  By the answered prayers.  By the
>>>>unanswered prayers.  By faith and love.
>>> 
>>> IOW, you don't have a clue.
>>
>>I'm not the one asking the questions here, you are.  Try reading my 
>>answer, however, instead of writing your own IOW answer.
> 
> Not a single one of your assertions is objective, so you have no
> objective evidence, you have only your belief - as evidence that your
> belief is correct?  The illogic is astounding.
> 
>>>>> Why would any real God permit his creations to be so deceived? 
>>> 
>>>>Why don't you ask Him with an open mind and an open heart?
>>> 
>>> Why don't you post objective evidence that "he" objectively exists?
>>
>>Because I'm not the one asking the loaded question
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> No, you're the one claiming that your god objectively exists.  

I never claimed them to be.  In fact, within this thread, I have claimed 
just the opposite, that I am not here to prove to close-minded non-
believers the existing of my God, but if you want to know the truth, 
simply ask Him whom I serve.

[snip]

> 
>>Why don't you ask yourself if He exists the next time you come within a 
>>fraction of a second of sure death
> 
> I did when I came many minutes AFTER dying.  There's no god after
> death either.  I didn't find one, and neither did any of the other
> people posting here who have died.

You've died, and yet your still alive?  Than you didn't die, your heart 
just stopped beating and you went unconsciouss from the lack of oxygen to 
your brain.

> 
>> just to be saved by some infinitesimal 
>>improbability (we call those miracles where I'm from
> 
> SANE people call them coincidences.

Blind people call them cioncidences.

> 
>>Ask yourself if He exists next time the 
>>timing is just too perfect for a personal petition (a prayer) answered 
>>from that very deity that you chose not to believe in.
> 
> SANE people call them coincidences.

Blind people call them coincidences.

> 
> Sane people also don't believe in make-believe friends without
> objective evidence that they objectively exist.

Within the congregation I regularly attend, there was an infant in ICU.  
Two months ago, she had somehow crawled over to a second story window and 
fell out.  She stayed in ICU for about a week, with the doctors trying to 
prepare the family for what they thought was the inevitable.  But, 
through the power of prayer and the mercy and grace that our Lord has 
brought, even the doctors, trained scientists who see and have to deliver 
bad news daily, were astounded at what they professed could only have 
been a miracle, as this baby not only regained consciousness, but 
appeared to have no cognitive impairment as a result of her tragedy.

Now, if you want to tell the family that this wasn't a miracle, or the 
doctors, than that's fine.  I doubt you'll convince any of them, though, 
as the FACT remains that their baby is still alive to this day.

Regards,

William