<patrick.barnes@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> On Oct 23, 12:18 pm, "Bill M" <wm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> "Pastor Frank" <P...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:471e4540$0$26490$88260bb3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
>> > Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully
manifested
>> > in
>> > Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary.
We
>> > therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
>> > Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus
in
>> > John 3:3)
>>
>> REALLY??? THIS IS LOVE!
>> Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
>> designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions,
>> Floods,
>> Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
>> serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect
>> and
>> punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both
>> young
>> and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish
>> millions
>> of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
>>
>> Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent
>> children"
>> to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
>> brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
>> others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and
others
>> pauper poor? Why does he permit over 2,000,000 innocent children to die
>> of
>> starvation every year? Why are his human creations designed to
>> deteriorate
>> into a miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious
>> affiliation?
>>
>> God supposedly created the world like it is, to punish man for Adam and
>> Eve's
>> 'original sin'. Why does he also punish supposedly innocent children
and
>> animals with thousands of diseases, birth defects, starvation and to be
>> eaten by other animals?
>>
>> Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
>> jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, wolves, poisonous
s****s,
>> stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this
>> caring
>> and benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to
painfully
>> kill and eat other animals to survive?
>>
>> World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
>>
>> World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of
all
>> ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
>> millions maimed for life.
>>
>> The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women
and
>> children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were
totally
>> INNOCENT children!
>>
>> There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th,
>> 14th.
>> and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
>> totally innocent children.
>>
>> The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
>> innocent children indiscriminately.
>>
>> Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
>> indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
>> malnutrition.
>>
>> These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those
of
>> all religious persuasions.
>>
>> Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds
of
>> serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
>> purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and
>> trans****tation
>> systems including flying through the air.
>>
>> Man has created a wonderful medical and drug system and improved
housing
>> and
>> food production. The result of MAN'S inventiveness has
>>
>> DOUBLED the average life span. None of this was created by any gods.
>>
>> Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean
>> and
>> torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you
>> think
>> he will let us enjoy peace and eternal happiness in his Heaven? And why
>> does
>> he keep all this a secret by preventing communication with our dead
>> parents,
>> siblings and friends? (Or this god?)
>>
>> There are thousands of different religious and god beliefs but NO
>> OJECTIVE
>> VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY of these gods. ALL
>> god
>> beliefs are based on the unsubstantiated 'opinions and claims of errant
>> men.
>>
>> If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
>> all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
>> objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern
about
>> the
>> welfare of the creatures on Earth.
>>
>> The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the
>> opposite;
>> that man created gods!
>>
>> I challenge god believers to supply ANY objective verifiable evidence
>> that
>> their god actually exists except in their over active imaginations.
>
> You must keep that thing on a macro or something. I've seen it
> virtually word for word before.
> Why are you so rabid about this? Nobody's trying to force you to
> believe anything you don't want to believe. Why do you care what
> Pastor Frank believes?
>
If everything were just peachy and without any travail, there would
hardly be any point in aiming to love others, ....to the death if need be,
one's purpose in life, would there be now? Nor would there be any need to
be
perfect. In other words, there would be no point to living at all.
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