Having trouble dealing with logical discussions???
<patrick.barnes@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Oct 23, 12:18 pm, "Bill M" <wm...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "Pastor Frank" <P...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > "bob young" <alaspect...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> Enkidu wrote:
>> >>> Kirk Gregory Czuhai <love...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully
manifested
>> > in
>> > Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary.
We
>> > therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
>> > Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus
in
>> > John 3:3)
>>
>> REALLY??? THIS IS LOVE!
>>
>> Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
>> designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions,
>> Floods,
>> Wars, Earth Quakes, Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
>> serious body malfunctions? There are 12,000 known diseases that affect
>> and
>> punish mankind indiscriminately. Why does he permit millions of both
>> young
>> and old to starve to death or die of miserable diseases? Why punish
>> millions
>> of INNOCENT CHILDREN in this horrible way?
>>
>> Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally "innocent
>> children"
>> to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
>> brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
>> others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and
others
>> pauper poor? Why does he permit over 2,000,000 innocent children to die
>> of
>> starvation every year? Why are his human creations designed to
>> deteriorate
>> into a miserable and devastating old age regardless of their religious
>> affiliation?
>>
>> God supposedly created the world like it is, to punish man for Adam and
>> Eve's
>> 'original sin'. Why does he also punish supposedly innocent children
and
>> animals with thousands of diseases, birth defects, starvation and to be
>> eaten by other animals?
>>
>> Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
>> jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, wolves, poisonous
s****s,
>> stinging and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this
>> caring
>> and benevolent god create animals (including man) that need to
painfully
>> kill and eat other animals to survive?
>>
>> World War I claimed 9,000,000 lives of people of many religious faiths.
>>
>> World II indiscriminately claimed over 20,000,000 lives of people of
all
>> ages and religious faiths, plus a vast destruction of property and more
>> millions maimed for life.
>>
>> The recent Asian Tsunami has claimed the lives of 200,000 men, women
and
>> children of all religious persuasions. Over 100,000 of these were
totally
>> INNOCENT children!
>>
>> There were three major epidemics of the Bubonic Plaque - in the 6th,
>> 14th.
>> and 17th centuries. The death toll was over 137 million men, women and
>> totally innocent children.
>>
>> The influenza of 1918-1919 killed at least 25 million men, women and
>> innocent children indiscriminately.
>>
>> Diseases like malaria, AIDS, tuberculosis, etc. maim and kill millions
>> indiscriminately every year. More millions die of starvation and
>> malnutrition.
>>
>> These indiscriminately afflicted the young and old, atheists and those
of
>> all religious persuasions.
>>
>> Meanwhile MAN, not god, has developed defenses and cures for hundreds
of
>> serious diseases. Man has learned to create shelter, heat and cooling,
>> purify water, world wide electronic communications, power and
>> trans****tation
>> systems including flying through the air.
>>
>> Man has created a wonderful medical and drug system and improved
housing
>> and
>> food production. The result of MAN'S inventiveness has
>>
>> DOUBLED the average life span. None of this was created by any gods.
>>
>> Perhaps your loving and caring god is actually a cruel, heartless, mean
>> and
>> torturing tyrant. If he treats us so cruelly during life, why do you
>> think
>> he will let us enjoy peace and eternal happiness in his Heaven? And why
>> does
>> he keep all this a secret by preventing communication with our dead
>> parents,
>> siblings and friends? (Or this god?)
>>
>> There are thousands of different religious and god beliefs but NO
>> OJECTIVE
>> VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE for the actual existence of ANY of these gods. ALL
>> god
>> beliefs are based on the unsubstantiated 'opinions and claims of errant
>> men.
>>
>> If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
>> all-caring and benevolent god. Nor is he an "Intelligent Designer". The
>> objective evidence is if there is a god creator, he has NO concern
about
>> the
>> welfare of the creatures on Earth.
>>
>> The objective evidence is that no gods created man but quite the
>> opposite;
>> that man created gods!
>>
>> I challenge god believers to supply ANY objective verifiable evidence
>> that
>> their god actually exists except in their over active imaginations.
>
> You must keep that thing on a macro or something. I've seen it
> virtually word for word before.
>
> Why are you so rabid about this? Nobody's trying to force you to
> believe anything you don't want to believe. Why do you care what
> Pastor Frank believes?
>
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