"Midjis" <midwinter_m@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> On 11 Oct, 18:41, "L.Roberts" <ozzcat2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> Well until you believe that there is a deity, you are an atheist.
>> 'maybe' doesn't count to make you a theist. if you 'don't know' then
>> you are not a theist and are therefor an atheist.
>
> Sorry, no: not so simple. If you believe there's a god of any sort,
> then you're a theist. If you deny the existence of any form of god,
> then you're an atheist. If you don't commit, then you're an
> agnostic. That's despite any desire certain atheists might have to
> claim agnostics as their own: atheism is a point of view that most
> agnostics wouldn't feel 100% comfortable with, because it's an
> absolute position: "There Is No God".
>
>> I used to understand that an agnostic believed that there is a deity
>> (and is therefor a theist) but that it is unknown and unknowable,
>> somehow that seems to have changed.
>
> 'Agnostic' as the term is normally used indicates one who doesn't
> commit to any specific claim of knowledge with regard to the existence
> or nature of God or gods.
>
>> If you swear that you know that there is a god, you are just talking
>> out your ass.
>
> The ass-talking happens when someone on any side of the argument
> starts saying that everyone else is obliged to believe what they're
> told to believe.
>
Both of you fail to explain what you mean by the word "god". Please
define this word in terms we all know and can understand. And btw. that
invisible ogre in the sky, so many of you call god, does indeed not exist.
Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully manifested in
Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of Calvary. We
therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in
John 3:3)
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