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Re: QUESTION

by Midjis <midwinter_m@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Oct 12, 2007 at 06:22 AM

On 12 Oct, 13:45, Al Klein <ruk...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Anyone making the claim, believer or not (and why would a non-believer
> make the claim), assumes the burden of proof.

Look at it this way: a believer believes; has all the proof he or she
needs already.  Not one scrap of that proof would satisfy a non-
believer, who doesn't believe.  The non-believer knows that there's
nothing there to be proved.  If s/he thought there was, s/he'd be a
believer already and wouldn't need proof.

Again, religion is a matter of individual perception.  You either have
it or you don't.  And only the individual can adapt his or her own
point of view, either to acquire religion, to lose religion, or to
change religion.  It is a process that happens largely without
conscious choice, and regardless of attempts by others to prove or
disprove one or the other position.

Anyone who thinks that their point of view on this is relevant to
anyone else is misguided.  Anyone who thinks that they have a duty, or
even the ability, to persuade, coerce, or fool another into changing
their views in either or any direction has completely misunderstood
the nature of the thing.
 




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QUESTION
"Bill M" <wm  2007-10-08 19:17:11 
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John Popelish <jpopeli  2007-10-08 20:16:47 
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Danwood <noreply@[EMAI  2007-10-09 14:23:23 
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James <bireda@[EMAIL P  2007-11-23 13:27:51 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-11-23 22:24:02 
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Uncle Vic <address@[EM  2007-10-08 19:36:48 
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The Chief Instigator <  2007-10-09 00:24:39 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-10-10 06:38:57 
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James <bireda@[EMAIL P  2007-11-23 15:14:31 
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"LC" <LC____  2007-11-23 14:21:46 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2007-11-23 22:28:01 
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Mike Smith <mikesmith@  2007-10-09 08:53:49 
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"Rob Brown" <  2007-10-09 14:09:42 
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The Chief Instigator <  2007-10-09 09:21:46 
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Danwood <noreply@[EMAI  2007-10-09 14:21:49 
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Al Klein <rukbat@[EMAI  2007-10-09 17:57:33 
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Danwood <noreply@[EMAI  2007-10-09 14:27:51 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2007-10-11 16:09:40 
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Danwood <noreply@[EMAI  2007-10-09 14:33:38 
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Danwood <noreply@[EMAI  2007-10-09 14:36:55 
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlo  2007-10-10 07:43:53 
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Tokay Pino Gris <tokay  2007-10-11 00:18:55 
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Danwood <noreply@[EMAI  2007-10-10 23:35:12 
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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlo  2007-10-10 07:42:36 
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Al Klein <rukbat@[EMAI  2007-10-10 10:49:37 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-12 09:58:45 
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gudloos@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-10-15 05:58:52 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-15 06:41:47 
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gudloos@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-10-17 02:18:56 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-17 04:55:42 
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gudloos@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-10-18 03:40:29 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-18 05:35:12 
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gudloos@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-10-23 13:05:27 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-10 12:41:26 
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"Bill M" <wm  2007-10-10 17:33:56 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-13 04:08:51 
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Al Klein <rukbat@[EMAI  2007-10-13 14:08:45 
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Al Klein <rukbat@[EMAI  2007-10-10 20:32:00 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-13 17:07:00 
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Al Klein <rukbat@[EMAI  2007-10-13 23:12:53 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-11 06:48:50 
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Al Klein <rukbat@[EMAI  2007-10-11 14:59:11 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-11 07:13:03 
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Al Klein <rukbat@[EMAI  2007-10-11 16:52:28 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2007-10-11 17:05:42 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-13 16:29:28 
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Al Klein <rukbat@[EMAI  2007-10-13 22:28:18 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-14 05:39:02 
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Al Klein <rukbat@[EMAI  2007-10-14 23:01:52 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-10-15 15:03:34 
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"L.Roberts" <  2007-10-11 10:41:11 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-11 23:24:15 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-11 23:26:25 
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Al Klein <rukbat@[EMAI  2007-10-12 08:45:46 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-14 04:49:10 
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Al Klein <rukbat@[EMAI  2007-10-14 21:08:59 
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"Khendon" <K  2007-10-14 20:30:10 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-15 04:43:12 
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Al Klein <rukbat@[EMAI  2007-10-15 13:03:30 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-10-16 07:06:17 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-10-15 14:52:47 
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gudloos@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-10-17 02:14:18 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-17 04:56:45 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-10-17 09:20:28 
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gudloos@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-10-18 03:46:24 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-18 05:36:28 
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gudloos@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2007-10-23 13:06:59 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-11 23:30:26 
Re: Atheism vs. agnosticism
"Pastor Frank"   2007-10-14 08:51:03 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-12 06:22:57 
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"Rob Brown" <  2007-10-12 10:52:08 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2007-10-12 11:13:05 
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"Rob Brown" <  2007-10-12 12:25:41 
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Christopher A.Lee <cal  2007-10-12 12:43:33 
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Al Klein <rukbat@[EMAI  2007-10-13 00:18:25 
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Al Klein <rukbat@[EMAI  2007-10-13 00:15:21 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-15 12:17:39 
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Al Klein <rukbat@[EMAI  2007-10-15 22:45:41 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-10-16 06:53:02 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-10-16 06:58:56 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-10-14 08:34:40 
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"L.Roberts" <  2007-10-12 09:18:25 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-12 09:49:35 
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"Rob Brown" <  2007-10-12 16:30:17 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-10-19 16:31:14 
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"Pastor Frank"   2007-10-19 16:45:04 
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Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-12 11:40:29 
Re: QUESTION
Midjis <midwinter_m@[E  2007-10-12 17:37:44 

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