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"Zapanaz" <http://joecosby.com/code/mail.pl>
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> On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:34:57 -0700 (PDT), Hephaestus
> <zeusnicobogey@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>hmm, maybe I will debate on this topic.
>>
>>If you wouldn't have said that, honestly I wouldn't have considered
>>the topic worthy of discussion.
>>
>>Alright, it's three a.m. time to shoot the breeze.
>>
>>rapture is mentioned several times, mostly in revelations, and almost
>>always it's in allusion that this is done. The problem of allusion is
>>that it can be interpreted many different ways. It is the most
>>irritating habit of the bible.
>>
>
> It's only irritating if you are trying to make sense out of it. But
> the bible wasn't designed in a consistent way to make sense. It
> wasn't designed at all, it was cobbled together over millenia for
> differing reasons which are mostly lost and forgotten now. Like, who
> exactly was the prophet Joel, and what exactly was he trying to
> accomplish? Of course, you probably have no idea, and really probably
> nobody does. In real life, he had some agenda of his own, whether you
> think it was an inspired one or not. But whatever it was is long
> forgotten now.
>
> For that matter, just compare "the old testament" in the Christian
> canon to the books in Jewish scripture it's based on. The Christians
> cobbled together a different set of the same books than the Jews,
> interpreted them different ways, used them to imply different things,
> especially about Jesus' supposed status as the messiah.
>
> If you are trying to read the bible as if it were a book which made
> sense and could be used as a sort of handbook for how to live life, it
> must be irritating, because it inevitably fails to be that.
>
> If you read it though as a hodgepodge of fairly random, unconnected
> religious writings, it isn't nearly so irritating.
>
>>Of course you could just take the legalistic view, and say their isn't
>>any allusion in the bible at all.
>>
>>all people who hope for rapture don't deserve to get it. Two reasons,
>>if you think you're guaranteed, you're fucked. Those who believe they
>>have nothing to be humble for are always full of hubris.
>>
>>and two because they're actually hoping for people to go to hell.
>>Wow, that's great, I'm sure J-man approves.
>>
>
> It's funny how quickly people can go from saying they don't
> necessarily believe in the "rapture" to arguing it's morality for it.
>
> The rapture might not exist, but of course if it did it the people who
> are full of hubris would be punished.
>
> Where does that morality come from? What the fuck is so great about
> humble people?
>
> And why are you arguing what Jesus approves of or disapproves of on
> his behalf?
>
> Why do Christians always do that? No, that's a stupid question.
> That's what they do. Why are Christians always incapable of REALIZING
> that's what they are doing, PLAYING JESUS? (Nice humility, that.)
>
> Not that you are necessarily a Christian, I suspect you're not. But
> that makes it doubly ironic, because you are doing exactly what they
> do.
>
> And as far as hoping the Bad People will go to hell, again, that's
> what they do. It isn't so much that they want certain people to go to
> hell, it's that they play Jesus and think "now, if I were Jesus, which
> people would I send to hell?" Like, in fact, you are doing now. At
> least in your case you know it's just a game you are playing in your
> head.
>
> As a great philosopher once said: "Religion is an attempt to imagine
> what the world would look like through a god's eyes." Looked at that
> way, religion makes perfect sense. It's people pretending to be god
> (in their head, anyway), then telling you what god thinks. If the
> person doing the pretending doesn't realize they are doing it, and
> somebody writes down what they (that is, God) said, it becomes a major
> religion.
>
> Imagining who God would send to hell is the heart of Christianity.
>
> Over this weekend, I watched three Christians out "witlessing" for
> Christ.
>
> Of the three, none talked about loving your neighbor or turning the
> other cheek or thinking about lilies in a field or anything like that.
> All three of them talked identically about how if you don't GET SAVED
> you are going to GO TO HELL. You better GET YOUR SPOT or you'll be
> left behind!
>
> You know, in the bible, the stuff that is supposed to be what Jesus
> actually said, I don't think Jesus actually said one word about hell.
>
>>
>>politics, religion, while these may be used as tools, that doesn't
>>necessarily diminish the validity of these arguments.
>>
>>the real problem of the world is jackasses, they're always fucking
>>things up. They belong to every single organization no matter how
>>intelligent or right they are, the key is telling them to stfu until
>>they earn respect and gain some intelligence, or sterilization.
>
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