On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 00:34:57 -0700 (PDT), Hephaestus
<zeusnicobogey@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>hmm, maybe I will debate on this topic.
>
>If you wouldn't have said that, honestly I wouldn't have considered
>the topic worthy of discussion.
>
>Alright, it's three a.m. time to shoot the breeze.
>
>rapture is mentioned several times, mostly in revelations, and almost
>always it's in allusion that this is done. The problem of allusion is
>that it can be interpreted many different ways. It is the most
>irritating habit of the bible.
>
It's only irritating if you are trying to make sense out of it. But
the bible wasn't designed in a consistent way to make sense. It
wasn't designed at all, it was cobbled together over millenia for
differing reasons which are mostly lost and forgotten now. Like, who
exactly was the prophet Joel, and what exactly was he trying to
accomplish? Of course, you probably have no idea, and really probably
nobody does. In real life, he had some agenda of his own, whether you
think it was an inspired one or not. But whatever it was is long
forgotten now.
For that matter, just compare "the old testament" in the Christian
canon to the books in Jewish scripture it's based on. The Christians
cobbled together a different set of the same books than the Jews,
interpreted them different ways, used them to imply different things,
especially about Jesus' supposed status as the messiah.
If you are trying to read the bible as if it were a book which made
sense and could be used as a sort of handbook for how to live life, it
must be irritating, because it inevitably fails to be that.
If you read it though as a hodgepodge of fairly random, unconnected
religious writings, it isn't nearly so irritating.
>Of course you could just take the legalistic view, and say their isn't
>any allusion in the bible at all.
>
>all people who hope for rapture don't deserve to get it. Two reasons,
>if you think you're guaranteed, you're ****ed. Those who believe they
>have nothing to be humble for are always full of hubris.
>
>and two because they're actually hoping for people to go to hell.
>Wow, that's great, I'm sure J-man approves.
>
It's funny how quickly people can go from saying they don't
necessarily believe in the "rapture" to arguing it's morality for it.
The rapture might not exist, but of course if it did it the people who
are full of hubris would be punished.
Where does that morality come from? What the **** is so great about
humble people?
And why are you arguing what Jesus approves of or disapproves of on
his behalf?
Why do Christians always do that? No, that's a stupid question.
That's what they do. Why are Christians always incapable of REALIZING
that's what they are doing, PLAYING JESUS? (Nice humility, that.)
Not that you are necessarily a Christian, I suspect you're not. But
that makes it doubly ironic, because you are doing exactly what they
do.
And as far as hoping the Bad People will go to hell, again, that's
what they do. It isn't so much that they want certain people to go to
hell, it's that they play Jesus and think "now, if I were Jesus, which
people would I send to hell?" Like, in fact, you are doing now. At
least in your case you know it's just a game you are playing in your
head.
As a great philosopher once said: "Religion is an attempt to imagine
what the world would look like through a god's eyes." Looked at that
way, religion makes perfect sense. It's people pretending to be god
(in their head, anyway), then telling you what god thinks. If the
person doing the pretending doesn't realize they are doing it, and
somebody writes down what they (that is, God) said, it becomes a major
religion.
Imagining who God would send to hell is the heart of Christianity.
Over this weekend, I watched three Christians out "witlessing" for
Christ.
Of the three, none talked about loving your neighbor or turning the
other cheek or thinking about lilies in a field or anything like that.
All three of them talked identically about how if you don't GET SAVED
you are going to GO TO HELL. You better GET YOUR SPOT or you'll be
left behind!
You know, in the bible, the stuff that is supposed to be what Jesus
actually said, I don't think Jesus actually said one word about hell.
>
>politics, religion, while these may be used as tools, that doesn't
>necessarily diminish the validity of these arguments.
>
>the real problem of the world is jack*****, they're always ****ing
>things up. They belong to every single organization no matter how
>intelligent or right they are, the key is telling them to stfu until
>they earn respect and gain some intelligence, or sterilization.
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