On Feb 16, 7:47=A0pm, barb <xenub...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Soldier For Yeshua wrote:
> > On Feb 15, 9:09 pm, antimidas <antimidas...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> "Gnostic" <bardic26...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote
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> >>> Rapture Ready - your prophecy resource for the end times
> >>> The rapture of the Church will kick-off the tribulation. Make sure
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> >>> are rapture ready.
> >> Show me any biblical passages mentioning rapture.
>
> >> The Newness of the Doctrine
> >> It may come as a surprise to many Christians, but the doctrine of the
> >> Rapture is not mentioned in any Christian writings, of which we have
> >> knowledge, until after the year 1830 A.D. Whether the early writers
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> >> Greek or Latin, Armenian or Coptic, Syrian or Ethiopian, English or
> >> German, orthodox or heretic, no one mentioned a syllable about it. Of
> >> course, those who feel the origin of the teaching is in the Bible
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> >> say that it only ceased being taught (for some unknown reason) at the
> >> close of the apostolic age only to reappear in 1830 A.D. But if the
> >> doctrine were so clearly stated in Scripture, it seems incredible
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> >> one should have referred to it before the 19th century. This does not
> >> necessarily show that the teaching is wrong, but it does mean that
> >> thousands of eminent scholars who lived over a span of seventeen
> >> centuries (including some of the most astute of the "Christian
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> >> and those of the Reformation and post-Reformation periods) must be
> >> considered as prophetic dunces for not having understood so
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> >> teaching. We are not denigrating the doctrine in mentioning these
> >> historical facts. That is not our intention. But we do feel that the
> >> Foundation should show the historical problems associated with the
> >> teaching. This lapse of seventeen centuries when no one mentioned
> >> anything about it must be a serious obstacle to its reliability.
>
> >> Its Beginning
> >> The result of a careful investigation into the origin of the Rapture
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> >> been recently published. The book is an excellent one which deserves
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> >> be read by all people interested in the subject. Its title: "The
> >> Unbelievable Pre-Trib Origin" by Dave MacPherson. He catalogs a great
> >> deal of historical material which answers the doctrine's mysterious
> >> derivation. We wish to review the results of his research. In the
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> >> 1820's a religious environment began to be established among a few
> >> Christians in London. England which proved to be the catalyst around
> >> which the doctrine of the Rapture emerged. Expectations of the soon
> >> coming of our Lord were being voiced, This was no new thing, but
what,
> >> was unusual was the teaching by a Presbyterian minister named Edward
> >> Irving that there had to be a restoration of the spiritual gifts
> >> mentioned in I Corinthians 12-14 just before Christ's second coming.
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> >> Irving, the time had come for those spiritual manifestations to
occur.
> >> Among the expected gifts was the renewal of speaking in tongues and
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> >> spirit-motivated prophetic utterances. Irving began to propagate his
> >> beliefs. His oratorical skills and enthusiasm caused his congregation
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> >> London to grow. Then a number of people began to experience the
"gifts.=
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> >> Once this happened opposition from the organized churches set in. It
> >> resulted in Irving's dismissal from the Presbyterian church in 1832.
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> >> group then established themselves as the Catholic Apostolic Church
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> >> continued the teachings of Irving.
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> >> These events were the beginnings of what some call present day
> >> Pentecostalism. Indeed Irving has been called by some church
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> >> "the father of modern Pentecostalism." What does all this have to do
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> >> the origin of the Rapture doctrine? Very much indeed. Let us look at
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> >> happened in the year 1830 -- two years before Irving's dismissal from
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> >> Presbyterian church. In that year a revival of the "gifts" began to
be
> >> manifested among a few people living in the lowlands of Scotland.
They
> >> experienced what they called the outpouring of the Spirit. It was
> >> accompanied with speaking in "tongues" and other charismatic
phenomena.=
> >> Irving had been preaching these things must occur, and now they were.
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> >> On one particular evening. the power of the Holy Spirit was said to
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> >> rested on a Miss Margaret .Macdonald while she was in a state of
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> >> at home. She was dangerously sick and thought she was dying. In spite
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> >> this (or perhaps because she is supposed to have come under "power"
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> >> the spirit for several successive hours during which she experienced
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> >> manifestations of "mingled prophecy and vision." The message she
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> >> during this prophetic vision convinced her that Christ was going to
> >> appear in two stages at His second coming -- and not one! The
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> >> revealed that Christ would first come in glory to them that look for
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> >> and again in a final stage when every eye would see Him. It was this
> >> visionary experience of Miss Macdonald which represents the prime
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> >> of the modern Rapture doctrine as the historical evidence compiled by
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> >> MacPherson abundantly shows.
>
> >>http://www.askelm.com/doctrine/d760201.htm
>
> > Sounds like the Rapture Bus had a flat tire with no spare.
>
> Rapture always makes me think of Blondie...
>
> --
> Barb
> Chaplain, ARSCC (wdne)
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Fab Five Freddie told me everybody's high
DJ's spinnin' are savin' my mind
Flash is fast, Flash is cool
Francois sez fas, Flashe' no do
And you don't stop, sure shot
Go out to the parking lot
And you get in your car and you drive real far
And you drive all night and then you see a light
And it comes right down and lands on the ground
And out comes a man from Mars
And you try to run but he's got a gun
And he shoots you dead and he eats your head
And then you're in the man from Mars
You go out at night, eatin' cars
You eat Cadillacs, Lincolns too
Mercuries and Subarus
And you don't stop, you keep on eatin' cars
Then, when there's no more cars
You go out at night and eat up bars where the people meet
Face to face, dance cheek to cheek
One to one, man to man
Dance toe to toe
Don't move too slow, 'cause the man from Mars
Is through with cars, he's eatin' bars
Yeah, wall to wall, door to door, hall to hall
He's gonna eat 'em all
Rapture, be pure
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