Re: America As We've Known It Is Finished

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:11:22 -0500, in alt.atheism 
strabo <strabo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>Free Lunch wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:21:09 -0800, in alt.atheism 
>> Gunner <gunner@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> On 12 Dec 2007 17:41:28 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>>>> gunner@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Gunner) wrote in
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>>>>
>>>>>>> Atheism is *not* a philosophy, it is a mere lack of belief in
gods.
>>>>>
>>>>> Atheism, just another faith based belief system.
>>>> Nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> Do you believe in the flying spaghetti monster?
>>>>
>>>> No? Is that a faith-based belief system or merely the natural state
of
>>>> a properly functioning human mind? 
>>>
>>> Your diversion with some drivel about pasta is noted.
>>>
>>> Atheism is indeed a faith based belief system.  It proudly proclaims
>>> that there is NO god, has never been a god, and there can never be a
>>> god.
>> 
>> Your claim is false. Atheists do not believe in gods. That is all. Some
>> may choose to take the next logical step and draw the conclusion that
no
>> gods exist since no evidence sup****ts any claims about gods existing,
>> but that is not necessary for atheism.
>> 
>
>To *not* believe is a belief.

And bald is a hair color. 

>You have the option of remaining mute, or to say that you don't know
>and have no opinion, but once you make a stand be it negative or
>positive, you are acting on faith.

Not at all. I am only acting on what we know. We do not have any
evidence to sup****t any claims about any gods. Because of that total
lack of evidence, I see no reason to sup****t anyone's claims about any
gods.

>Just think of the millions of ignorant atheists, usually scientific
>materialists and moral relativists, who *believe* they can avoid
>belief and create a better world.

Well, there have been plenty of believers who have created hell on
earth. Have any created a heaven?

>>> All based on Zero evidence of any of the above.
>> 
>> Since there is zero evidence, there is no reason to believe in any
gods.
>
>Then why say there are none?

I didn't say there were none. I said I didn't believe in any since there
is no evidence for any. Do you believe in every god?

>>> Just like the most fervent religious person, who may actually believe
>>> based on perceived interactions between himself and a god (belief as a
>>> result of witnessing something apparently divine).
>>>
>>> The Atheist has No evidence either way, yet fervently believes.
>> 
>> No, repeating your erroneous claim will not make it true.
>> 
>>> This would be like a person believing that there are NO Tibetans, has
>>> Never been any Tibetans, nor could there ever be Tibetans, simply
>>> because he has never seen one, or never having been to Tibet.
>>>
>>> The Agnostic, is the only logical person, with his "I don't know"
>>> belief.
>> 
>> Both believers and unbelievers can be agnostic or gnostic. Gnosis is a
>> different problem.
>
>You blew that one.

Not at all. You didn't even respond to it. Agnosticism is not a middle
ground.

>>> So yes, Atheism is just another faith based belief system, all
>>> protestations and swerves off into pasta theory to the contrary.
>> 
>> You are mistaken, still.
> >