On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:25:34 -0800 (PST), Olrik <olrik666@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
>On Nov 30, 8:15 pm, Mariachi <jpgarcia...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On Nov 30, 7:49 pm, Christopher A.Lee <ca...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> > On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:47:36 -0800 (PST), Mariachi
>>
>> > <jpgarcia...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> > >> And let me be clear, I am not promoting atheism -- for if I had to
die
>> > >> in a hot box from global warming, I would rather die with the
>> > >> Christians praying than with the atheists cursing.
>>
>> > >> See:
>>
>> > >> "What the hell would we need 'spiritual values' for when we can
have
>> > >> real values."
>>
>> > >>http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?topic=509.0.
>>
>> > >I agree with a lot of your statements, but you cannot choose both
>> > >sides according to Christianity. You must choose to accept Christ
or
>> > >you do not choose to accept Christ.
>>
>> > Why do you morons imagine there is anything to choose, in the real
>> > world outside your religion?
>>
>> > Nobody "chooses" not to believe, they simply have no reason to
>> > believe.
>>
>> > >If you believe that people believe in God because they are foolish
and
>> > >they are the people that are ruining this country by voting for Bush
>> > >and his neo-con friends, then you are terribly wrong. There are a
lot
>> > >of smart Christians in the world who do not believe every single
word
>> > >that is fed to them by the "conservative" media. And they also see
>> > >right through the democrats also. As far as I'm concerned, neither
>> > >party impressed me in terms of morality or fiscal responsibility. A
>> > >lot of Christians can see right through Bush, Fox news, and other
>> > >"conservative" propaganda that has political overtones. Personally,
I
>> > >don't really think we should link government with religion anymore.
>> > >Every time some politician brags about how holy they are and say
crazy
>> > >stuff like "It's Gods will to spread freedom across the world", you
>> > >know that they are using Christianity to manipulate the m*****.
Satan
>> > >disguised himself as an angel of light, does that mean Satan is
holy?
>> > >No. That goes for all politicians who use Christianity as a means
for
>> > >their own political agenda. They are masqueraders. Sorry bit off
>> > >topic
>>
>> > Why do you morons invent "reasons" people don't have?
>>
>> > There is a real world outside your religion. Live with it.
>>
>> > >There is more to it than meets the eye when someone is a truly
devoted
>> > >Christian. You will see it in the actions, their love for other
>> > >people, their humility, etc... It is because their heart has
genuinely
>> > >changed by accepting Christ dominion in their life. It is not some
>> > >fairy tale to them, Christ is the purpose of life to them, or Christ
>> > >is Life to them. Christians love, not because they loved God first,
>> > >but because God loved them first.
>>
>> > We see it in their deluded fantasies, which include their inability
to
>> > think outside the box so they rudely and stupidly talk as though
their
>> > beliefs had been proven to be real.
>>
>> Apparently you have never thought outside the box calling Christians
>> delusional.
>
>Actually, we did : all religions are delusional.
>
>> I will not ridicule anyones religion, I will just present
>> Christianity as it is in the bible. Have you ever reviewed the
>> evidence?
>
>*What* evidence?
MacDowell's bull****. He stupidly imagines anybody with more than two
neurons to rub together, will be convinced by the Lord/Liar/Lunatic
idiocy.
These retards imagine that a whole slew of stuff that doesn't stand up
to the least bit of inspection, is somehow better than a single solid
piece of evidence.
Of course they haven't got a single solid bit of evidence because if
they had they would offer it.
The moron tells us to read MacDowell as though he were the first of
these psychotics to use it.
Why doesn't _he_ give what he thinks is the single strongest argument
in that bull****, and be prepared to defend it?
>> Why are you so quick to say that Christianity does not have
>> a factual basis?
It hasn't until he demonstrates that it has, but that's not what I
wrote, nor could it be inferred.
At the moment it hasn't got beyond being merely somebody else's
religion, whose beliefs have no particular relevance outside it. Their
actions, motivated by those beliefs are unfortunately all too
relevant, but those are all we see regardless of their motivation.
>Because it does not, perhaps?
The falsifiable position is that it is not substantively different
from all the other religions.
>> If you are so open-minded,
>
>We're open-minded to evidence.
"Open minded" is a standard Christian lie. It means forcing yourself
to believe then you'll believe.
I've got a friend who used to believe in UFO abductions. If you were
open-minded about that then everything would fall into place.
This involved all sorts of rationalisations based on the presumption
that UFO abductions actually happened.
It was closed-minded to ask how they managed to exceed the speed of
light.
Because they actually happened there was obviously another
explanation, which had to be true. So they must have come from a
different dimension.
That's exactly what Christian "open minded" means. Accept that it is
all real and everything will fall into place. The world really was
created as the Genesis stories say. So light must have been created in
flight with the appearance of coming from stars more than 6,000 light
years away. There is no alternative and anybody who doesn't accept
this is closed minded.
This moron has no idea what evidence is. He imagines it's anything
however flaky that agrees with him.
>But you are, I'll bet a ****ny nickel, quite close-minded about other
>religions. Since you already believe in some sort of "god", why don't
>you try/convert to other faiths, just for awhile, see what goes on,
>and re****t to us? Deal?
We won't hear from him again.
>> I would hate to see what close-minded is.
>
>Quite ironic...
He should look in the mirror.
>> As it stands, the Holy Bible has been a guide for
>> billions of people throughout the years, yet you dismiss Christianity
>> as pure delusional fantasy.
>
>That's because it *is* "delusional fantasy". Read the bible, for
>pete's sake!
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