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>Date written: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:39:17 -0700 (PDT)
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You really need to get a dictionary and learn to use it. You didn't
understand
the word "presumption" until I taught it to you and you didn't understand
the
word "guilt" until I taught it to you. Now you are showing us that you
don't
understand the word "context". Does your ignorance have no end?
>>> Isaiah 28:10 means that a verse needs to be taken
>>> together with other verses in the Bible.
>> -
>> The_Sage said on May 11, 5:18 pm:
>> That is called context and you are taking that
>> verse out of context. It does not say anything
>> remotely like what you wish it said, when you take
>> it in the context it was given.
>Isaiah 28:10 isn't referring to interpreting a verse
>within its immediate context, which goes without
>saying, but to interpreting a verse within the
>context of the entire Bible.
>The immediate context of Isaiah 28:10 is how one is
>to arrive at correct doctrine (Isaiah 28:9). Isaiah
>28:10 shows that this is done by placing different
>statements of the Bible figuratively on top of each
>other, that is, by combining related statements in
>the Bible to reach the Bible's doctrine regarding
>a matter. These related statements do not have to
>all be located within a single immediate context; one
>statement can be located "here" while another
>statement is located "there".
Context does not refer to just a verse before and after the one in
question, it
refers to the entire story, before and after the verse in question. Isaiah
was
not talking about how to interpret the Bible anywhere in chapter 28, he
does not
even mention the Bible, he was repeating God's words of indignation
against the
nations. Here is a more complete context of the verse in question, one
that
shows what a liar you are...
"Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious
beauty [is] a fading flower, which [are] on the head of the fat valleys
of
them that are overcome with wine! Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and
strong
one, [which] as a tempest of hail [and] a destroying storm, as a flood
of
mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.
The
crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet:
And
the glorious beauty, which [is] on the head of the fat valley, shall be
a
fading flower, [and] as the hasty fruit before the summer; which [when]
he
that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his hand he eateth it
up. In
that day shall the LORD of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a
diadem of
beauty, unto the residue of his people, And for a spirit of judgment to
him
that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle
to
the gate. But they also have erred through wine, and through strong
drink are
out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong
drink,
they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong
drink;
they err in vision, they stumble [in] judgment. For all tables are full
of
vomit [and] filthiness, [so that there is] no place [clean]. Whom shall
he
teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? [them
that
are] weaned from the milk, [and] drawn from the breasts. For precept
[must
be] upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line;
here
a little, [and] there a little: For with stammering lips and another
tongue
will he speak to this people" (Isa 28:1-11)
Clearly your hunt and peck method of picking out verses out of context
from the
Bible is not the method God intended us to use.
Here is an example of where I made a fool of you the last time you
couldn't
grasp the simple meaning of words that you were misusing...
> Presumption. A conclusion derived from a particular set of facts based
on
> law, rather than probable reasoning. Assumption made until proven
incorrect;
> inference made from available information. Antonyms: reality, truth,
and
> humility
> Guilt. Responsible for or chargeable with a reprehensible act;
deserving of
> blame; culpable. Antonyms: guiltless, innocent, moral, right, sinless,
> truthful
>So, if God has been recorded as doing anything immoral or reprehensible,
that
>would be evidence that God was guilty. Let us think a moment about what
is
>reprehensible. Now let's take a look at God's past behaviors...
> "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and
spare
> them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and
sheep,
> camel and ass."(I Sam 15:3)
>Is racial cleansing, ethnic cleansing, religious cleansing, mass murder,
and
>animal cruelity something to be proud of or is it reprehensible? This
isn't the
>first time God engaged in reprehensible behavior, there was Hosea
9:11-16,
>Ezekiel 9:5-7, Exodus 12:29-30, Leviticus 26:21-22, Isaiah 13:15-18, and
>Deuteronomy 13:13-19. It makes it sound like the rule instead of the
exception,
>doesn't it? God must have been very proud of Hitler.
> "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil:
I the
> LORD do all these [things]" (Isaiah 45:7)
....do you want me to make a fool out of you again with your misuse of the
word
context, or do you think you can finally learn to research the meanings of
words
on your own first? Your choice.
One would think reading the Bible would make one more educated, not less
as you
are currently demonstrating over and over again. Stop trying to be a know
it all
when you clearly know nothing.
The Sage
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