On May 16, 4:09=A0am, "Greg" <grandall11@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Elder(:)Child" <yoo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Who is this 'christian' 'jesus'?
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> > Truth is the name 'jesus' was first imagined some
> > 500 years,
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> Since you are unable to write the name of The Messiah in EXACTLY the
same
> script He used and since you are unable to pronounce it exactly the same
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> you must be a heretic wor****pping a false messiah or you may simply be
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> of the foolish cult members who take this stance ignoring the fact that
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> themselves are HYPOCRITES becauses they also cannot.
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> You also seem ignore the fact that it was God Himself who made babel of
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> languages. And it is God Himself whom created The Gospel that makes
> Brothersa nd Sisters IN Christ of people of thousands of different
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> on hundreds of different countries all over the world all of whom
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> the Same Jesus Christ and study the SAME Gospel in as many different
> languages not aChrist invented 500 years ago but The Christ decribed in
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> Bible and ALL of whom are able to recognise a Brother or a Sister with
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> Holy Spirit and (I am sure my Brothers and Sisters in Christ) no matter
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> language they speak or read recognise you as a false teacher and cult
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> whom =A0couldnt recognise truth if it was staring at him directly from
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> pages of the Bible.
> EG read the following in whatever language you want its still reads the
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> thing.
> (2Pe 2:1) But there were also false prophets among the people, even as
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> will be false teachers among you, who secretly will bring in destructive
> heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing on
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> swift destruction.
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> Did you get the last bit EG =A0 "even denying the Master who bought
them"
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> Greg
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> or so, ago! Truth is that the name 'jesus'
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> > was not spoken for some 1500 years after The
> > Messiah "ascended to His GOD and Father".
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> > And The Messiah's GOD is The GOD of His Brethren
> > and The Messiah's Father is The Father of His Brethren.
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> > The Messiah, "ascended to His GOD" and was the
> > "first-born of many Brethren", "The Beginning of The
> > Creation of The Only True GOD".
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> > The Messiah('christ') is "the mediator between The
> > Only True GOD and man".
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> > The Messiah's GOD given name when translated
> > into today's english would be Joshua. =A0Should not
> > The Son of The Only True GOD be called by The
> > Name given to Him by His Father and GOD? Yet
> > His exalted title is The Messiah, The Son of The
> > Living GOD, for as there is only One True GOD,
> > so also there is only One True Messiah, Yahshua
> > (Joshua in modern day english)The Son of GOD!
>
> > The Messiah testified, "I ascend to My GOD and
> > your GOD, to My Father and your Father"!
>
> > Truth also testifies that the name 'jesus' was "imag"ined
> > just prior to what 'the god of this world' and his 'christianity'
> > declared to be the 'reformation'. That also was some 500
> > years, or so, ago.
>
> > Prior to the 'reformation' there was no letter 'j' in the english
> > language! Indeed 'catholicism' was reformed, in the sense
> > of being restructured and made to appear differently. The
> > various 're-formed' systems of religion were, and are, her
> > offspring! And they all bear the 'mark' of their 'god' 'jesus'!
>
> > Either they name one head of their three headed pagan
> > 'god' 'jesus' or they make the one they call 'jesus' their
> > 'god'. =A0 All are but harlot religions fornicating with 'the
> > god of this world' because they love this world, it's things,
> > and their own lives in and of this evil, wicked world!
>
> > "The ONLY TRUE GOD", HE Has No 'god'!
>
> > "Truth" Tesifies:
> > "The Messiah is The Son of The Living GOD"!
> > "catholic/christian" lies:
> > 'jesus' is 'god' or 1/3 of a 'god' or an angel or ????
>
> > "Truth" Tesifies:
> > "Love your enemies! Turn the other cheek"!
> > "catholic/christian" folklore:
> > fight and war in the flesh! kill your enemies ;-(
>
> > "Truth" Tesifies:
> > "This world is evil!" "Come Out of her, MY people"!
> > "catholic/christian" folklore:
> > we can change this world and make it 'better' ;-(
>
> > "Truth" Tesifies:
> > "The WHOLE world lies in wickedness"!
> > "catholic/christian" folklore:
> > there are righteous nations, the usa and others ;-(
>
> > "Truth" Tesifies:
> > "Love not the world or the things of this world"!
> > "catholic/christian" folklore:
> > love this world and thank 'god' for it's things ;-(
>
> > "Truth" Tesifies:
> > "Pagans observe days, months and years"!
> > "catholic/christian" folklore:
> > christmas, easter, halloween, 'good' friday, etc. ;-(
>
> > "Truth" Tesifies:
> > "Serve The Only True GOD and HIM alone"!
> > "catholic/christian" folklore:
> > serve family, country and their "imag"ined 'god' ;-(
>
> > "Truth" Tesifies:
> > GOD asks, "What building will you build unto ME"?
> > "catholic/christian" folklore:
> > various buildings dedicated to their "imag"ined 'god' ;-(
>
> > "Truth" Tesifies:
> > "As The Messiah suffered so His Brethren will suffer"!
> > "catholic/christian" folklore:
> > eat, drink, be merry, especially during x-mass season ;-(
>
> > "Truth" Tesifies:
> > "GOD helps those who cry unto HIM for help"!
> > "catholic/christian" folklore:
> > 'god' helps those who help themselves ;-(
>
> > "Truth" Tesifies:
> > "NO man has seen The Only True GOD"!
> > "catholic/christian" folklore:
> > many saw their "imag"ined 'god' 'jesus' ;-(
>
> > "Truth" Tesifies:
> > "GOD is Spirit and a Spirit has not flesh and bones"!
> > "catholic/christian" folklore:
> > except for their "imag"ined 'god' 'jesus' that is ;-(
>
> > "Truth" Tesifies:
> > "When you pray do so in private"!
> > "catholic/christian" folklore:
> > pray aloud so that others might hear ;-(
>
> > "Truth" Tesifies:
> > "Swear not! =A0Let your yes, be yes, your no, no"!
> > "catholic/christian" folklore:
> > put your hand on their 'bible' and swear to their 'god' ;-(
>
> > The Messiah testified, "That they might know YOU,
> > The ONLY TRUE GOD, and The Messiah, Whom YOU
> > have sent"!
>
> > The Messiah testified, "Love Your Enemies"!
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> > Islam, Judaism, and that which calls herself 'christianity':
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> > Religious systems of this world and all alike they are,
> > for they have fought and killed both near and far;
>
> > And then once a week or multiples times a day they pray,
> > and then as hypocrites begin each new day;
>
> > Days filled with deceit and lies,
> > for in their religious systems Truth cannot abide;
>
> > And so the fruit of death is born of their religious ways,
> > for life is but a pawn in the wicked game they play!
>
> > Multitudes have been seduced by " the commandments
> > and doctrines of men and devils"! Theo'ry'logy has bound
> > the common people in the chains of "strong delusion".
>
> > The Only True GOD has given HIS Call to all who are
> > held captive by this wicked, evil world and it's seductive
> > religious systems, especially the one that calls herself
> > "christianity".
>
> > "The mother of harlots", "catholicism", and her "protesting"
> > "christian" daughters, as well as today's "judaism" and
> > "islam", are but seductive harlots fornicating with 'the god
> > of this world'!
>
> > They believe in, and are authors of, death ;-(
>
> > The Only True GOD would have us "set our affections on
> > things above". HIS Children desire that which is eternal,
> > and have quit serving 'time' in the prison that is this wicked
> > world. HIS Children have heeded The Call to repent and:
>
> > "Come out of her, MY people"!
>
> > They have "Come out" of this wicked, evil world and it's
> > systems of religion for they realize that "the WHOLE world
> > is under the control of the evil one". (I John 5:19)
>
> > And a wicked, worldly "christianity" =A0and "catholicism" are
> > reasons why "The Way of Truth is evil spoken of" ;-(
> > (II Peter 2:2)
>
> > Yet there is Hope!
>
> > For Miracles do happen!
>
> > Hope is there would be those who "set their affections on
> > things above", Heavenly things, for they will quit serving
> > 'time' in the prison that is this world! Worldly systems but
> > feed "the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh and the pride
> > of life" and such systems are of mankind's "imag"ination,
> > and mankind's "imag"ination is under the dominion of
> > "the father of lies", he who is "the god of this world", he
> > who is "d"evil spirit of darkness who genders but death,
> > destruction, perversion, and fear!
>
> > Heed GOD's Call and "Come out of her, MY people"!
>
> > Experience Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that
> > is of this wicked world....... francisco- Hide quoted text -
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What is the name of The Messiah?
Is it a Greek or a Hebrew name?
Should not a disciple of The Messiah know The Messiah's
GOD given birth name, and it's pronunciation, as given by
the angel Gabriel (Luke 1:31), when he prophesied to
Miriam (Mary)?
Or when The Messiah spoke His name from heaven to Paul
on the road to Damascus, what name did He use, since Paul
said that he heard an utterance from His mouth? "And when
we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice SAYING to me
in the HEBREW dialect, 'Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting
Me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.' And I said,
'Who are You, Lord?' And the Lord said, 'I am ??????? Whom
you are persecuting'" (Acts 22:14; 26:14-15). Surely the apostle
Paul was not puzzled over language when told "Arise, and be
baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on The Messiah's
Name" (Acts 22:16).
What then was the utterance from the mouth of The Messiah
that proclaimed His Name, since it is very clear that HE SPOKE
IN HEBREW? Many names are promoted these days besides
the "christian" name of "jesus": Y'Shua, Yeshua, Yahshua,
Joshua, Yehoshua and in the Hebrew Yehowshuwa'.
Shouldn't we be able to know His Name?
"And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other
Name under heaven given among men, by which we must be
saved" (Acts 4:12). Should not a man, especially The Son of
GOD and Son of man, be called by the same Name all over
the world?
=2E......Who is "Iesous"?.......
Hundreds of times in the New Testament the Greek name
Iesous is translated as "Jesus". But if you have ever read an
older King James Bible you might have noticed something
odd in Acts 7:45. In his speech to the Jewish council,
Stephen refers to the man who led Israel into the earthly
Promised Land as "Jesus", not Joshua! Is this an error?
Well, yes and no, since the Greek name in verse 45 is Iesous,
the same word translated as "Jesus" everywhere else. However,
Stephen could not possibly have been referring to anyone else
but the leader Joshua who took over after Moses and led the
israelites into the earthly promised land. And immediately
afterwards, in verse 59, Stephen cried out when being stoned,
"Lord ???????, receive my spirit!" Again the name is Iesous in
the Greek. Was Stephen crying out to the historical figure
Joshua, long dead, to save him, or was he calling upon the
Son of GOD, since both names in the Greek are Iesous?
So what does Iesous mean, Jesus or Joshua? Was Stephen,
a man so righteous that heaven opened up at his martyrdom,
was he so overcome by the stress of the moment that he
couldn't tell a long-dead forefather from The Messiah whom
he saw standing at the right hand of GOD?
=2E......Jesus or Joshua?.......
Modern translations of the Scriptures, and even recent revisions
of the King James version, have noticed this contradiction and
changed the name in Acts 7:45 to Joshua so that it makes sense.
(The same problem is found in Hebrews 4:8 also.) But where did
these translators get their authority to change the Scriptures?
Is it through integrity and honesty that Iesous is translated "Jesus",
except when it obviously has to mean Joshua? Or are the traditions
of men so strong that translators can take liberties with the Word
of GOD?
At least the translators of the original King James Version were
consistent enough to translate Iesous as Jesus in Acts 7:45
and Hebrews 4:8 even when it made no sense.
So if the new translations change Jesus to Joshua in Acts 7:45
and Hebrews 4:8, why didn't they also change Jesus to Joshua
in all the other Scriptures where they found the name Iesous?
In Acts 7:45 the name Iesous is obviously Joshua, and could
not possibly refer to anyone else. Isn't the name Iesous really
Joshua everywhere it is found?
Isn't His name really Joshua instead of Jesus? If it would be
tampering with the Scriptures to change Jesus the Savior's
name back to Joshua, would it not also be tampering with the
Scriptures to change Jesus back to Joshua in Acts 7 and
Hebrews 4? It's all the same Greek word - Iesous!
We want to know GOD's mind about these things, because
it doesn't make sense that the translators would change the
Holy Scriptures in one place and not the other.
Not wi****ng to disturb tradition, do they hang on to the name
Jesus for the sake of selling bibles? For certain, one thing is
true. Miriam and Yoseph (Mary and Joseph in English) named
the child just as the angel commanded them. Did the angel
speak to them in Hebrew or did the angel speak Greek?
Everything would be more understandable if he had spoken
Greek to them. Then could be that Jesus would have come
out of his mouth and we today pronounce The Messiah's
name exactly as the angel did. Except that there never has
been a "J" sound in Greek ... or Hebrew ... or even English
until the 1500's.
So what is the answer? Why should there be confusion
concerning the Name by which all men could be saved?
Did not GOD reveal to HIS followers the name HE gave
and which was the given name above all given names to
whom every knee shall bow and every tongue confess?
Will all GOD's people gather around HIS throne someday
and mumble but distorted sounds as if we were gathered
around the tower of Babel? Are we not speaking of the
GOD who longs to speak to the human heart, to save all
men who call upon the name of ??????? ..
?what name?
=2E......What The Messiah's Name Means.......
Does the name of the Son of GOD have any meaning other
than as a label? It certainly did to Yoseph: "And you will
name Him ???????, because He will save His people from
their sins" (Matthew 1:21, New Century Version).
If His Name is "Jesus", this Scripture makes no sense, since
obviously the Name of The Messiah means that He will save
His people from their sins.
But do you know what the name Jesus literally means?
No, you don't, and neither does anyone else, because it has no
meaning as a word in any language. It is, at best, a mere tag.
We might take a mere tag somewhat lightly, but not the Jews.
When Yoseph and Miriam brought the child to the Temple in
Jerusalem to dedicate Him, they dared not even utter such a
name as Iesous(jesus). The Jewish priests jealously guarded
the holiness of the Temple, and considered Greek to be a
loathsome language.
If Yoseph and Miriam had dedicated their child in a Greek name
it would have been viewed as an abomination, and they would
have been roughly ejected from the Temple! Obviously, this did
not happen, and they performed everything according to the Law
(Luke 2:21-39).
But if the Greek Iesous really is Joshua in Hebrew, the language
that Yoseph, Miriam, and every other Jew spoke including the
Savior Himself, then the angel's proclamation makes total sense.
Hebrew names in the Bible are always meaningful, and so were
all names until recently, and the name Joshua is even more than
that. The name Joshua is prophetic.
In John 17:11 our Master prayed, "Holy Father, keep them in YOUR
Name, the Name which YOU have given Me, that they may be one,
even as we are." Since according to the words of the Savior, The
Father's Name is in His Name, it will help to know the Father's
Name.
Fortunately this is pretty easy, because the Old Testament was only
written in Hebrew and a number of verses are very clear in proclaim-
ing The Father's name, such as, "Sing to GOD ... whose name is
YAH" (Psalm 68:4). Also the Scriptures are full of the expression
Hallelujah, a phrase very familiar to Christians, but do you know
what it means in Hebrew?
It is actually Hallelu YAH, a command meaning, "Give praise to YAH."
None of this is secret stuff, for it is found in the marginal
readings
of many bibles today; for example, look at Psalms 116:19 in the
New American Standard Bible.
So how do you say the Savior's name in His language? Well, it would
be Joshua, except that the letter "J" in English was originally a "Y"
sound. So His name, which has His Father's name in it, is Yahshua.
And it has such a wonderful meaning that both Yoseph and Miriam
marveled over it, because they knew full well what that name meant
in their native Hebrew language.
It means YAH (translated "I Am", Exodus 3:14) Shua ("mighty and
powerful to save"). So when the angel told this name to them, they
were astounded, for His name was a declaration from The GOD of
Heaven to mankind that there would be born a man who would be
"mighty and powerful to save".
"And you shall call His name Yahshua, for it is He who will save His
people from their sins" (Matthew 1:21).
Now that scripture makes total sense.
=2E......The Weight of Tradition.......
But does it really matter to GOD what name we call The Messiah?
It certainly was im****tant enough for the Savior to cry out during
the last hours before He was betrayed, "Holy Father, keep them in
Your NAME, the Name which YOU have given Me" (John 17:11).
And as stated before, it was clear to the Jews what that name was
and how to pronounce it. HalleluYAH is a universal expression, and
YAH is the universal name of GOD. Yet so great is the weight of
tradition that men have been blindly clinging to a name that has no
meaning and makes the Scriptures mentioned have no meaning,
either.
Can anyone possibly maintain that The NAME of The Father is
somehow incor****ated into the name Jesus, or that the name
Jesus means that "He will save His people from their sins"?
Those with "eyes to see", can see that The Messiah's GOD
given Name at birth was Yahshua, and if you prefer the modern
day English transliteration of The Messiah's GOD given birth
Name, then that would be Joshua, in Spirit and Truth.......
The vain "imag"inations of the "catholic" and "christian" systems
of religion have caused "The Way of Truth to be evil spoken of",
so why continue to use their "imag"ined name for "The Son of
Living GOD"?
As for me, my preference is to call The Messiah, Immanuel or
Yahshua, for as the apostle Paul testified, "GOD was in The
Messiah", Paul did not testify that "god was the messiah".
Immanuel(GOD with us)! "GOD was in The Messiah" in Spirit and
Truth.......
And while there is breath(Spirit) there is hope!
For Miracles do happen!
Hope is there would be those who experience The Miracle that is
receiving "a love of The Truth".......
Peace, in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this wicked
world....... francisco
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