The_Sage <The_Sage@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said:
> I know, but that answer will backfire since we are right back to where
> we started: why are there no Christians that want or will allow God to
> change them?
Well, that question requires first that we define the sort of change that
we, as observers, would recognise. What sort of change are WE looking to
see in Christians? Based on the original question, would we be looking to
see if God changed them into moral people?
If that's the case, then your question here would surely require the prior
establishment of a premise that there are *no* moral Christians. Would
that be a safe premise to begin with, do you think? You originally
mentioned the 'morally disgraceful past' of Christians - did you actually
mean to include ALL Christians in that?
> Sure, just like there are people who call themselves Atheists or
> scientists but in reality they are not. You judge a person by their
> actions...
Certainly, yes. So again, are we saying that there are no moral
Christians
anywhere in the world?
> ...so if we judge Christians by their actions, they are all ol'
> devils.
It seems we are. Is there a reliable statistical basis for that
statement,
then, or is it based on personal experience?
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