Re: THE PROBLEM WITH THE HISTORICITY OF JESUS

On 2008-05-08 16:05:02 +0100, "Bill M" <wmech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said:

>> Are you losing your marbles here? The subject is the historicity of
>> Jesus - not the existence of God. The question is, did Jesus exist as a
>> historical personage? That has nothing whatsoever to do with the
existence
>> of God, neither does it have anything whatsoever to do with the
question
>> of whether Jesus was God incarnate. It's just "did Jesus exist"?
> 
> Your convenientl altering the question to avoid answering it. Not
answering
> is ok but
> don't come up with elaborated dogings.

No I'm not Bill. The question dealt with the existence of Jesus. No 
more, no less. The Sage had the funny idea that because a number of 
ancient writers did not mention him, we could conclude that he did not 
exist at all. He made no mention of God AT ALL. Is there objective 
verifiable evidence that Jesus existed? Yes. The writings of the New 
Testament and extra-biblical writings are clear evidence. Is there 
objective erifiable evidence that he was God? No. I don't think there 
is. Is that clear enough for you now?

> 
>>> 
>>>> I note, by the way, that you accept you were wrong to accept Sage's
list
>>>> at face value.
>>> 
>>> Yes, I accept that he was partially wrong. Why are you avoiding
answering
>>> my
>>> questions?
>> 
>> I'm not. And, by the way, he was almost entirely wrong. 1/29 is a crap
>> score by anybody's standards. Philo was the only name on his list that
>> could reasonably said to sup****t hiscase, and even then it's
questionable.
> 
> Ok, now are you or are you not going to answer my question?

As above. Now, how about you? Do you think that there is evidence that 
Jesus existed - leave all suggestions that he was God aside if you like.