>Reply to article by: Risto Karttunen <tipsu@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>Date written: Thu, 8 May 2008 00:34:31 -0700 (PDT)
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>> But Adam did not know the difference so how could he have known it was
not good
>> to disobey God?
>He had the ability to choose. I feel that God was secretly proud of
>what He had created in man.
You did not answer the question.
>> God had that ability before Adam did, so God is the original sinner.
>"Sin" means nothing when used in that way. I think it is quite shallow
and misleading
>to think that the original sin is something which is reprehensible. Adam
didn't do anything
>bad, he did something fantastic and terrible with far-reaching
consequences (one other
>point: he needed a woman for this). He just couldn't have lived in the
Paradise after that deed,
>and the great question is: how we could regain the innocence, find the
way of return to Eden?
>Could it be possible? If I try to answer that question, I feel that the
Adam inside me is the
>one who is looking after that way, and the sin in him - me - is a big
obstacle indeed,
>perhaps an insurmountable one. However, "with men it is impossible, but
not with God:
>for with God all things are possible" (Mark 10).
>> Death was one of choices God gave Adam.
>God could not have let Adam gain immortality. Then Adam would have
>become God.
Then whay was the Tree of Life and the Tree of Evil *BOTH* freely
available to
choose from in the Garden? That completely destroys your point there.
>> >Knowledge without immortality, that's the terrible lot
>> >of man. Animals don't know, gods don't die. We are in-between those
>> >two worlds.
>> Then why must animals suffer, as Paul says in Roman 8:22, ie -- For we
know that
>> the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now"?
>I cannot imagine a world without suffering.
That is only a problem with your ability to imagine.
>Perhaps if we all were soulless robots, we would not suffer.
Perhaps.
>Also there would be no suffering in a world without any
>happenings, but there wouldn't either be any matter, time and space in a
world like that,
>I guess; hence I prefer the way the world is now. Suffering comes with
>consciousness.
Then you must be very happy to suffer so much.
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