dear The_Sage <The_S...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> In the Garden of Eden, where God placed Adam on the sixth day,
> >what is the meaning of the number six?
>
> The meaning is one more than four and one less than five.
then why did you bring it up?
> >> God had also
> >> planted a very special tree there which he called "The tree of
knowledg=
e of good
> >> and EVIL".
> >ginko baloba?
>
> Absolutely not.
are you saying it was a symbolic tree?
not a real tree in the first place?
>
> >the tree of the knowledge. =A0can you imagine eating knowledge from a
> >tree.
>
> Nope.
no imagination. hmmmmmmmmm.
>
> >have heard of the ancients eating written words to gain more of the
> >meaning.
> >yet never heard of a tree that spouts knowledge.
>
> You never read the Bible.
was not refering to the bible. was refering to the ancients.
> >where do you thing this idea of a plant that can liberate?
>
> Fantasy.
yes, and it can be the key to a discussion much deeper than the
obvious.
>
> >do you think this was the same tree jesus was crucified on?
>
> Jesus wasn't cruficfied on a tree, he was crucified on a cross.
>
> >symbolically even?
>
> Bingo! You are quick!
so what do we do with the symbolic?
>
> >> Where did God get His knowledge of evil when he created the tree of
> >> knowledge of good and evil --
> >don't think god had any,
>
> Think again.
god had no knowledge of polarity till he invented it and watched what
happens.
that is the basis of most experimentation today, get an idea and see
if it works.
why would not a story of the creation by a god not include
experiementation?
>
> >god created this world to learn about this
> >world, not cause god already knew it.
>
> You cannot create something you do not know anything about.
yesh you can, don't limit yourself to what you know.
there is an unconscious world, a subconscious world that is greater
than anything our minds can comprehend.
>
> >and is not good and evil one of the rule of the universe?
>
> Nope.
polarity seems to be everywhere.
the orbit of the planets,
the orbit of whole cosmoses.
everything seems to travel around something in this universe.
and good and evil are the symbolic representation of positive and
negative.
>
> >opposite sides of the same coin?
>
> Yep.
>
> >opposite charges that create the magnetism that holds us all together?
>
> Nope.
there is no creation without magnetism.
> >so we can't have this universe with out magnetism, without polar
> >opposites.
>
> Maybe not this universe but what about other universes?
you refuse to allow anything you can not see.
you seem to refuse to use your imagination even.
so how can you imagine such a thang?
>
> >> from His heart or from His head?
> >neither, god wanted to know about god, so god invented the universe
> >and the world.
> >we use toy trucks and dolls and learn about real life when we are
> >young.
> >god was young then too.
>
> God was never young.
when we see god as needing toys to understand part of himself
as children use toys to play at being adults.
we can say god was young and needed these toys after building the
universe
as a reflection to learn about god's self.
as we do as humans, what would make god different from you?
>
> >> Why didn't God
> >> have Satan create the tree of knowledge of evil instead?
> >he is the one that is telling eve about the fruit from that tree?
>
> Good guess!
god is not the one telling eve..... (correction).
>
> >satan doesn't create. satan reacts. satan does the obvious.
> >read the instructions to satan from god in the book of job.
>
> Nowhere does Job say Satan cannot create.
read the instructions from god to satan.
we are not talking about anything job said at the moment.
these are the rules by which satan operates according to this story.
and those rules do not involve satan's ability to kill anyone.
no one ever dies.
>
> >also, when there is no polarity there can be no opposite.
>
> That is circular reasoning.
explain this for us in another way.
>
> >and until the universe was formed satan could not be manifest.
>
> Why not?
what holds the universe together? besides love?
what is the glue that holds it all together.
how did american religionists get to calling this force the devil?
how did the negative polarity of the world become evil in our dream
scriptures?
that is the answer you do not seem to want to hear.
>
> >> Maybe because Satan
> >> couldn't create a tree evil enough for God to look down on and
declare =
"and it
> >> was good"?
> >who is the creator of the experiment?
> >god? or satan? =A0it is up to the one creating the situation to define
> >it.
>
> No it isn't, unless you believe in child abuse.
it is up to you to define things for youself, it has nothing to do
with family or friends.
it is up to you to define for yourself the meaning of duality in this
world.
some see the devil, some call it satan, some call it kali.
the devil harms? and kali cleans.
that is two definitions in religion of the negative force in the
universe.
it is up to you to live with this duality.
and yes, the effects of abuse can last a life time.
> >after it is created, we all seem have been given this world finished.
>
> It doesn't look finished to me.
cause you want to build a house in malibu?
we have less species today on the planet than ever.
we have no new species being created.
that is finished and moving toward a final destination some day.
>
> >> Which is more evil:
> >there is no evil, when there is polarity.
>
> Then there is no good.
thank you.
> >all life is polarized, so god asks us to invision a lack of polarity
> >and dwell there until we escape this duality of life.
>
> You are the only one who believes that.
it only takes one to start a revolution.
it only takes one to change the world.
what is life after death without our personalized accessories?
what is life like without our senses...........
>
> >> the person who does an evil deed
> >there is no evil.
>
> You are contradicting yourself.
you just said there was no good.
stop thinking with your mind.
> I thought evil was part of one of the rules of
> the universe you just made up above?
polarity is inherant, and you can call either polarity pole negative
or positive
it is your preference we are discussing. what you want to call one of
the forces of this universe.
what you want to call the negative aspect of the universe/
>
> >there is attraction, and opposites do attract.
>
> Sometimes.
>
> >there is polarity tho you can't have one side without the other.
>
> Yes you can. Not everything is polarized, except for you and your
polarizi=
ng the
> issue.
we are discussing the nature of polarity, and you say words are not
enough, and merlin asks can we go beyond words, then you pick and play
on the words used.
to be in the universe is to deal with polarity.
to breath or not to breath.
to beat or not beat our hearts.
it is that basic. the first thing people will tell you after they
die, is gee it is great not having to breath anymore, and hear your
body making noises. there is no gravity.
> >so to say there is evil, is to say there is good.
>
> Unless there is no evil, then there is no good. Come on, make up your
mind=
.. You
> are babbling.
you have not explained your point.
you have not made the effort, that is why you attack?
you have not commited to a common language.
until then it will repeated as many ways as possible in hopes we can
learn communicate
using something said that we both can understand.
>
> >and relativity is of this world and not of the next.
>
> How would you know?
through experience.
> >and we might all want to practice being outside of duality so that
> >we may learn to live outside of life after we die.
>
> What good is it to learn about something that only exists in your poorly
t=
hought
> out imagination?
the transition is inevitable.
how do you learn to live without your senses to survive when you no
longer have a human form?
that is part of the myth of adam and eve. do we live among the gods
ignorant of our status, or do we learn to become a god through our own
practice?
> >the fear of death, is the unknown, not the unknowable.
>
> The fear of death is known, as fear of death.
yet there is no death. there is only life.
> What happens after death is what
> is unknown.
is not taught nor researched you mean.
that is the point of beginning of the discussion
myths, that you are well aware of in your writings.
>
> >we no longer need to fear death when there is no death.
>
> Then you will always have to fear it.
go ahead. can't force you to drink the water, can only show you where
others found water.
> >and we escape this world of back and forth.
>
> Prove it.
look into your life.
where do you go when you dream?
think of that as the real world.
the lasting world, the world from which we have been exiled while on
earth.
start there, with your dreams. and then find love, combine the two,
and then see what happens, it is amazing, like a ride the cyclone at
coney island.
>
> >> or the
> >> accomplice who teaches that person how to do evil deeds?
> >there is only you. =A0there is no one else.
> >all that is around you is you and your consciousness manifest.
> >there are no evil deeds, there are lessons of consequences for actions
> >taken.
>
> You are babbling
and you are ill prepared for this response.
> and you are going off on a wild arse tangent.
you started this with a ton of ifs no?
> Please re-read
> the post and try to respond to the questions asked in a logical manner.
that was done, in a mythic language you refuse to concider.
ask more questions and cut the silly insults.
ask specific questions, quips are only fun when?
> I will
> take you a little more seriously then.
that may be your take on life.
you sure you are not a christian?
cause that is what they all say to those they refuse to understand.
in love with the living gay jesus,
merlin
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