The_Sage wrote:
>
> But Adam did not know the difference so how could he have known it was
not good
> to disobey God?
>
He had the ability to choose. I feel that God was secretly proud of
what He had created
in man.
>
> God had that ability before Adam did, so God is the original sinner.
>
"Sin" means nothing when used in that way. I think it is quite shallow
and misleading
to think that the original sin is something which is reprehensible.
Adam didn't do anything
bad, he did something fantastic and terrible with far-reaching
consequences (one other
point: he needed a woman for this). He just couldn't have lived in the
Paradise after that deed,
and the great question is: how we could regain the innocence, find the
way of return to Eden?
Could it be possible? If I try to answer that question, I feel that
the Adam inside me is the
one who is looking after that way, and the sin in him - me - is a big
obstacle indeed,
perhaps an insurmountable one. However, "with men it is impossible,
but not with God:
for with God all things are possible" (Mark 10).
>
> Death was one of choices God gave Adam.
>
God could not have let Adam gain immortality. Then Adam would have
become God.
>
> >Knowledge without immortality, that's the terrible lot
> >of man. Animals don't know, gods don't die. We are in-between those
> >two worlds.
>
> Then why must animals suffer, as Paul says in Roman 8:22, ie -- For we
know that
> the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now"?
>
I cannot imagine a world without suffering. Perhaps if we all were
soulless robots,
we would not suffer. Also there would be no suffering in a world
without any
happenings, but there wouldn't either be any matter, time and space
in a world like that,
I guess; hence I prefer the way the world is now. Suffering comes with
consciousness.
--
risto
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