Re: THE PROBLEM WITH JESUS' FORGIVENESS...

monkfish wrote:
> 
> Antares 531 wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 6 May 2008 20:08:55 -0400, "Ralph" <mmman_90@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"Andrew" <thecroft@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >>news:2008050617133950073-thecroft@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> On 2008-05-05 19:24:39 +0100, "Bill M" <wmech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said:
> >>>
> >>>> Why did God create sin??? Why not create a world where there is no
evil
> >>>> or
> >>>> sin???
> >>>
> >>> Such would be a world without moral responsibility.
> >>
> >>Of course it would. It would also be a fantastic world. Too bad that
the
> >>'Intelligent Designer' didn't create it that way.
> >>
> > Ralph, if you don't believe Andrew perhaps you should go out and watch
> > the beasts as they carry on their day to day routines. They have no
> > knowledge or understanding of good or evil, yet bad things happen to
> > them, somehow.
> >
> > A fox kills a rabbit, even though that rabbit has no understanding at
> > all as to why the fox wants to kill it. And the rabbit will kill a fly
> > that is trying to bite it, even though that fly has no understanding
> > at all as to why the rabbit wants to kill it.
> >
> > The "intelligent designer" is in the process of "creating it that way
> > (perfect in every respect)" and, from our perspective, it is still a
> > work in progress.
> >
> > God's tem****al frame (eternity) runs along a different path  than our
> > tem****al frame (time) and this tends to confuse some people. The
> > things that seem to drag on and on for thousands of years, from our
> > perspective, are completed in an instant from God's eternity
> > perspective. "A day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as
> > a day."
> >
> > And, this current tem****al frame will look like an instant to us after
> > we have completed this mortal phase of our existence and are looking
> > back over it from our perspective in the eternity tem****al frame. We
> > will then have a full, unabridged understanding of good and evil, and
> > will never ever want to go back and explore it further. And, this will
> > be MUCH better than had we been created as mere puppets who would
> > simply follow God's will with no sovereignty of our own.
> >
> > Lucifer didn't have this knowledge and perspective, and simply
> > couldn't turn away from his curiosity for exploring sin and rebellion
> > in depth.
> >
> > Gordon
> 
> What you are talking about the tem****al frames
> can also be said about the moral frames.

> But we have to remember that
> God is prior to time and space
> and God is also prior to good and evil.

You have proof of that claim?
> 
> 
> We cannot possibly drag God
> into our limited perspectives.

Eeerm this god of yours? 
Is it not capable of speaking on it's own behalf?
It needs monkfish to do it for him  !?  
Must make you feel really grand......... eh?


> All we can do is to listen to God
> as He mercifully tells us
> about the way out of our own mess.

[see above]
> 
> Let's be grateful for everything.

Indeed, specially for the sane one's around us Amen.
> 
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