Re: THE PROBLEM WITH JESUS' FORGIVENESS...

On 2008-05-07 19:51:31 +0100, Antares 531 <gordonlrDELETE@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Wed, 7 May 2008 19:11:50 +0100, Andrew <thecroft@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> wrote:
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>> On 2008-05-07 18:04:09 +0100, Antares 531 <gordonlrDELETE@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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said:
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>>> On Wed, 7 May 2008 17:19:03 +0100, Andrew <thecroft@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> wrote:
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>>>> On 2008-05-07 01:08:55 +0100, "Ralph" <mmman_90@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> "Andrew" <thecroft@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> On 2008-05-05 19:24:39 +0100, "Bill M" <wmech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Why did God create sin??? Why not create a world where there is no
evil
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> sin???
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Such would be a world without moral responsibility.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Of course it would. It would also be a fantastic world. Too bad that
the
>>>>> 'Intelligent Designer' didn't create it that way.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not a proponent of "intelligent design". I think it's
>>>> pseudo-science on a par with the study of ley lines. And you say that
>>>> the world would be fantastic. I have to disagree. I value my freedom
of
>>>> choice very highly.
>>>> 
>>> I can't explain the VERY RAPID development of complex life forms on
>>> this planet during such a very short time frame, except by intelligent
>>> design.
>> 
>> That can occur through evolution - though I accept it is difficult to
>> demonstrate categorically that it did. You have to remember that
>> simpler organisms have very short life-spans, so get through a much
>> greater number of generations in a given period of time than may be
>> expected. It is the number of generations that is crucial.
>> 
> There is also the requirement that no, or at least very few and very
> rare "killer" mutations happen that would destroy the very long
> process of evolution...such as the development of visual sensors
> (eyes) in vertebrates and mollusks. Same end result but a very
> different series of genetic mutations.  Gordon

I don't think there is a requirement as such - merely that 'beneficial' 
mutations happen often enough. Harmful mutations would result in a 
lower probability of survival to pass it on to offspring.


>>> 
>>> Then there is that thing of Super String - Membrane Theory and those
>>> extra dimensions, universes of the multiverse, that fall so
>>> CONVENIENTLY into place with the Biblical information...Multiverse
>>> with other universes...levels of Heaven...rolled up like a scroll to
>>> less than a Planck length.
>>> 
>>> Gordon
>> 
>> I would be cautious about reading the Bible as a science text book. It
isn't.
>> 
> The Bible does not "disagree" with the scientific world unless we fail
> to read it in the light of understanding associated with the modern
> scientific world.  Gordon

I agree, but it should be that way round.