Re: THE PROBLEM WITH JESUS' FORGIVENESS...

On Tue, 6 May 2008 20:08:55 -0400, "Ralph" <mmman_90@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

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>"Andrew" <thecroft@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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>> On 2008-05-05 19:24:39 +0100, "Bill M" <wmech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> said:
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>>> Why did God create sin??? Why not create a world where there is no
evil 
>>> or
>>> sin???
>>
>> Such would be a world without moral responsibility.
>
>Of course it would. It would also be a fantastic world. Too bad that the 
>'Intelligent Designer' didn't create it that way. 
>
Ralph, if you don't believe Andrew perhaps you should go out and watch
the beasts as they carry on their day to day routines. They have no
knowledge or understanding of good or evil, yet bad things happen to
them, somehow. 

A fox kills a rabbit, even though that rabbit has no understanding at
all as to why the fox wants to kill it. And the rabbit will kill a fly
that is trying to bite it, even though that fly has no understanding
at all as to why the rabbit wants to kill it.

The "intelligent designer" is in the process of "creating it that way
(perfect in every respect)" and, from our perspective, it is still a
work in progress. 

God's tem****al frame (eternity) runs along a different path  than our
tem****al frame (time) and this tends to confuse some people. The
things that seem to drag on and on for thousands of years, from our
perspective, are completed in an instant from God's eternity
perspective. "A day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as
a day."

And, this current tem****al frame will look like an instant to us after
we have completed this mortal phase of our existence and are looking
back over it from our perspective in the eternity tem****al frame. We
will then have a full, unabridged understanding of good and evil, and
will never ever want to go back and explore it further. And, this will
be MUCH better than had we been created as mere puppets who would
simply follow God's will with no sovereignty of our own.

Lucifer didn't have this knowledge and perspective, and simply
couldn't turn away from his curiosity for exploring sin and rebellion
in depth.

Gordon