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Re: Spin Doctoring does not negate the truth about how Jews view non-Jews (Re: Color Me Surprised 'Not')

by Craig Stevens <craig_stevens@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 8, 2008 at 03:35 PM

On Thu, 8 May 2008 09:11:49 -0700 (PDT),
<7d1ac5bb-0502-4b26-88d7-52fd2be4e396@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "Chris
C. Larson"
<larsonchris321@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>On May 7, 7:40 pm, Craig Stevens <craig_stev...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>
>Everything is already in the archive, Mr. Antichrist. There is no need
>to re-post. 

What I post and how often I post is none of your business. Most people
don't look through 
the archives. This very post and its topic which you seek to diminish may
be seen by a 
lurker for the first time. Lurkers see the material at the bottom so you
to can search and
verify the Jewish Talmud for yourself.

>Also, please provide the one Jew who has acted out, what you claim "they
teach". 

Anyone reading the included texts and links will see what Jews teach.

Hundreds if not thousands of rabbis sucking the bloody ***** of the infant

they just cir***cised. Why don't you show anywhere in the Law of Moses
where
sucking a bloody ***** after cir***cision is commanded. It's not in the
Bible 
but it is in the Jewish Talmud which dates from the Pharisees (the same
filth Jesus 
often condemned for shoving aside Gods commandments to preserve their
traditions of
men).
                 Perverted Jewish cir***cision tradition.

http://www.jewishledger.com/articles/2006/02/23/news/news02.txt
"In metzitzah b'peh, a mohel orally sucks blood from the site of the
genital cut he makes
during the cir***cision procedure." 

http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/std/std-bris.shtml
Communicable Disease : NYC DOHMH
 Before the Bris: How to Protect Your Infant Against Herpes Virus
Infection
 Caused by metzitzah b'peh

How metzitzah b'peh spreads herpes

In metzitzah b'peh, the mohel places his mouth on the freshly cir***cised
***** to draw blood away from the cut. 

If the mohel is infected with oral herpes (as most adults are), metzitzah
b'peh 
can expose the infant to the herpes virus.... <STOP>

You asked for one Jew who acted upon perverted Talmudic teachings how
about all 
of those who engage in the above?

As for molesting little boys here is a fine example;

Alan Ginsberg

http://www.nambla.org/ginsberg.htm
Attacks on NAMBLA stink of politics, witchhunting for profit,
humorlessness, vanity, anger and
ignorance ... I'm a member of NAMBLA because I love boys too 

<STOP>

Picture of the molester Ginsberg who rots in hell-->
http://www.nambla.org/allen1.jpg
Ginsberg was one sick Chickenhawk.

Ginsberg probably got his cue from these Talmudic teachings;

http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt05.html#Sodomy_Approved
Baby boys may always be used as subjects for sodomy by grown men,
according to the Talmud. The
Pharisaic subterfuge here is that until a child reaches ***ual maturity,
capable of ***ual
intercourse, he or she does not rank as a person, hence Biblical laws
against sodomy
(pederasty) do not apply. Throughout the Talmud "nine years and one day"
is the fictitious age
of male maturity. 

	Sanhedrin 54b 
        Our Rabbis taught: In the case of a male child, a young one is not
regarded as on a par
with an old one; but a young beast is treated as an old one.23  What is
meant by this? — Rab
said: Pederasty with a child below nine years of age is not deemed as
pederasty with a child
above that. Samuel said: Pederasty with a child below three years is not
treated as with a
child above that.24  What is the basis of their dispute? — Rab maintains
that only he who is
able to engage in ***ual intercourse, may, as the passive subject of
pederasty throw guilt
[upon the active offender]; whilst he who is unable to engage in ***ual
intercourse cannot be a
passive subject of pederasty [in that respect].25 
  Footnotes:
  23  The reference is to the passive subject of sodomy. As stated supra
54a, guilt is incurred
by the active participant even if the former be a minor, i.e., less than
thirteen years old.
Now, however, it is stated that within this age a distinction is drawn. 
  24  I.e., Rab makes nine years the minimum; but if one committed sodomy
with a child of
lesser age, no guilt is incurred. Samuel makes three the minimum. 
  25  At nine years a male attains ***ual matureness. 
-----------------------------------------------------

Likewise, under "nine years and one day," the "first stage of intercourse"
of a boy with the
mother, or any grown woman, is harmless, Talmudically. Shammai, to seem
more "strict," lowers
the age to eight years in some cases. (See Sanhedrin 69b of the Talmud) 

	Sanhedrin 69b
	Our Rabbis taught: If a woman s****ted lewdly with her young son [a
minor], and he
committed the first stage of cohabitation with her, — Beth Shammai say, he
thereby renders her
unfit to the priesthood.  Beth Hillel declare her fit. R. Hiyya the son of
Rabbah b. Nahmani
said in R. Hisda's name; others state, R. Hisda said in Ze'iri's name: All
agree that the
connection of a boy aged nine years and a day is a real connection; whilst
that of one less
than eight years is not:  their dispute refers only to one who is eight
years old, Beth Shammai
maintaining, We must base our ruling on the earlier generations, but6 
Beth Hillel hold that we
do not. 
---------------

"When a grown up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for
when the girl is
less than this — that is, less than three years old — it is as if one puts
the finger into the
eye — tears come to the eye again and again, so does virginity come back
to the little girl
under three years." (Kethuboth 11b of the Talmud) 

	Kethuboth 11b
        GEMARA. Rab Judah said that Rab said: A small boy who has
intercourse with a grown-up
woman makes her [as though she were] injured by a piece of wood. When I
said it before Samuel
he said: 'Injured by a piece of wood' does not apply to flesh. Some teach
this teaching by
itself: [As to] a small boy who has intercourse with a grown-up woman. Rab
said, he makes her
[as though she were] injured by a piece of wood; whereas Samuel said:
'Injured by a piece of
wood' does not apply to flesh. R. Oshaia objected: WHEN A GROWN-UP MAN HAS
HAD INTERCOURSE WITH
A LITTLE GIRL, OR WHEN A SMALL BOY HAS INTERCOURSE WITH A GROWN-UP WOMAN,
OR WHEN A GIRL WAS
ACCIDENTALLY INJURED BY A PIECE OF WOOD — [IN ALL THESE CASES] THEIR
KETHUBAH IS TWO HUNDRED
[ZUZ]; SO ACCORDING TO R. MEIR. BUT THE SAGES SAY: A GIRL WHO WAS INJURED
ACCIDENTALLY BY A
PIECE OF WOOD — HER KETHUBAH IS A MANEH! Raba said, It means this: When a
grown-up man has
intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when the girl is less
than this,6   it is as
if one puts the finger into the eye;7   but when a small boy has
intercourse with a grown-up
woman he makes her as 'a girl who is injured by a piece of wood,' and
[with regard to the case
of] 'a girl injured by a piece of wood,' itself, there is the difference
of opinion between R.
Meir and the Sages. 

Rami b. Hama said: The difference of opinion is [only] when he knew her,
for R. Meir compares
her11  to a mature girl, and the Sages compare her to a woman who had
intercourse with a man.
But if he did not know her, all agree that she has nothing. And why does
R. Meir compare her to
a mature girl? Let him compare her to a woman who had intercourse with a
man! — [In the case
of] a woman who had intercourse with a man, a deed had been done to her by
a man; but in her
case — no deed has been done to her by a man. — And why do the Rabbis
compare her to a woman
who had intercourse with a man? Let them compare her to a mature girl! [In
the case of] a
mature girl no deed whatsoever has been done to her, but in her case — a
deed has been done to
her.  
  Footnotes:
  6  Lit., 'here', that is, less than three years old. 
  7  I.e., tears come to the eye again and again, so does virginity come
back to the little
girl under three years. Cf. Nid. 45a.
-------------------------------------

This is the standard doctrine of the whole Talmud on baby girls. Sodomy
and intercourse with
babies is the prerogative of the adult Talmudic man, in contrast to
Christ's beautiful
teachings concerning little children. 

http://newsfromthewest.blogspot.com/2008/05/jews-run-homo***ual-movement-in-america.html

>Last I noticed my Jewish neighbors have not stolen from me or raped any 
>3 year girls around here. And come to think of it, I've also never seen 
>any of them eating dog ****.

I am not like you went it comes to invading other people's privacy.
I showed what is taught using their own material. What else do you want?

>It must make your blood curl to know that 95% of the U.S. follows
>Judeo-Christianity.

There is no such thing in reality. Judeo-Christianity as you call it is
the 
creation of clergy who have accepted their 30 pieces of silver from the 
Pharisees to betray Jesus. Anyone with any bible knowledge knows the Jews 
and the Christians were at odds from the very start with Jews being the 
persecutors.

1 Thessalonians 2:14,15 "For you, brothers, became imitators of God's
churches 
in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own countrymen
the 
same things those churches suffered from the Jews, who killed the Lord
Jesus 
and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile
to 
all men."

Acts 9:22-23 "But Saul increased all the more in strength, and confounded
the
Jews who lived in Damascus by proving that Jesus was the Christ. When many
days 
had passed, the Jews plotted to kill him."

Acts 13:45 "But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with
jealousy,
and contradicted what was spoken by Paul, and reviled him." 

Acts 14:2,19 "But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles and
poisoned their
minds against the brethren. But Jews came there from Antioch and Ico'nium;
and 
having persuaded the people, they stoned Paul and dragged him out of the
city,
supposing that he was dead." 

>Have a nice Christian hating day!

I don't hate real Christianity but I do loathe the false antichrist
version.

Example of one of millions of antichrists dwelling in America;

From: Sara Salzman <catamont@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 21:55:49 -0500
Message-ID: <catamont-CFBE3C.21554905082005@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/fff52eca83b894a3

> May I ask if you acknowledge Jesus is the Christ or Messiah who 
> came in the flesh?

I've answered it three times already. And since I happen to be Jewish, 
why would you think I would believe any such thing?

Sara

The Biblical definition of an antichrist;

"Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard that
antichrist is coming,
even now there have come to be many antichrists. Who is the liar if it is
not the one that
denies that Jesus is the Christ? These things I write you about those who
are trying to mislead
you! For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not
confessing Jesus Christ as
coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. If anyone
comes to you and does
not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a
greeting to him. For he
that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works." 
1 John 2:18,22,23 ; 2 John 7,10,11

Key scriptural passage "For many deceivers have gone forth into the world,
persons not
confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and
the antichrist" which
fits Jewess Salzman's reply of "And since I happen to be Jewish, why would
you think I would
believe any such thing?" when asked "May I ask if you acknowledge Jesus is
the Christ or
Messiah who came in the flesh?"

Remember folks these Jews are antichrists, Christ Haters and true enemies
of Christianity.

To quote antichrist Jewess Salzman again;

"[T]he fact that a Communist is anti-Christian makes perfect sense, since
Marx called religion the "opiate of the people."" - Sara Salzman 
Message-ID: <schwartz-ya023180002611961402050001@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

"I have never made an "imflammatory" [sic] attack on Communism. I have
never
made ANY attack on Communism." - Sara Salzman
Message-ID: <schwartz-ya023180002711961741490001@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

To quote Jewish Rabbis;

"...Communism, despite its flaws and corruptions, has had a profound
effect on our sense of
social justice. Christianity, despite the horrendous atrocities it
perpetrated and justified,
played a major role in introducing, to a largely pagan world, the concepts
(though much
adulterated) of a one, omnipotent and non- cor****eal G-d and of a
messianic end-goal to
existence."
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/63558/jewish/IV-Wheres-the-Truth.htm

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*** with Children by Talmud Rules

Excerpts

HE WHO COMMITS SODOMY WITH A MALE OR A BEAST, AND A WOMAN THAT COMMITS
BESTIALITY ARE STONED.
(Sanhedrin 54a) However, if a grown man were to have ***ual relations with
a boy younger than
nine, the man would incur no guilt. 

Leviticus 18:22 prohibits a man lying with a man, but not with a young
boy. Thus the Talmud
Sages reason: Pederasty with a child below nine years of age is not deemed
as pederasty …
Sanhedrin 54b
 
Young Girl http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/baby6.jpg
  In the world of the Talmud Sages, grown men have ***ual intercourse with
girls younger than
three years old. The young girls are wounded and bleed from the activity,
but the Talmud Sages
were of the opinion that in one so young, virginity comes back:
"Intercourse with her is like
putting a finger in the eye," (Niddah 44b) and the tears come back again
and again. Apparently
the Sages attributed the repeated bleeding during copulations to the
repeated rupture of the
regenerated hymen.

                    "… Of Lesser Age, No Guilt is Incurred"

In modern America, *** between an adult and a child is condemned in
pro****tion to the youth of
the child. That is, Americans generally consider *** with a fifteen year
old, a twelve year
old, a six year old, and a three-year-old on a continuous scale of
condemnation. The younger
the child, the greater the condemnation. 

Talmudic law works on the reverse scale: *** with younger children is less
significant than ***
with older children. How did this doctrine come about?

Scripture states thus:

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
— Leviticus 18:22 (KJV) 

The Old Testament prohibits a man lying with a man; but notice, the Old
Testament does not
prohibit a man lying with a boy. Thus, the Talmud Sages arrive at their
position on pederasty.
In the following, bestiality said to be committed "naturally" when a man
uses the vaginal
passage of the beast, and "unnaturally" when a man uses the anal passage
of the beast. The
Sages make a similar distinction for the couplings of a woman with a
beast.

GEMARA. … Rab said: Pederasty with a child below nine years of age is not
deemed as pederasty
with a child above that. Samuel said: Pederasty with a child below three
years is not treated
as with a child above that. (2) What is the basis of their dispute? — Rab
maintains that only
he who is able to engage in ***ual intercourse, may, as the passive
subject of pederasty throw
guilt [upon the active offender]; whilst he who is unable to engage in
***ual intercourse
cannot be a passive subject of pederasty [in that respect]. (3) But Samuel
maintains: Scripture
writes, [And thou shalt not lie with mankind] as with the lyings of a
woman. (4)
 
It has been taught in accordance with Rab: Pederasty at the age of nine
years and a day; [55a]
[he] who commits bestiality, whether naturally or unnaturally; or a woman
who causes herself to
be bestially abused, whether naturally or unnaturally, is liable to
punishment. (5) 
— Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin 54b - 55a

The translator, Rabbi Dr. H. Freedman, amplifies the text with footnotes.
Note particularly
footnote 2: "… but if one committed sodomy with a child of lesser age, no
guilt is incurred."
See also the final sentence of footnote 5: "… nine years (and a day) is
the minimum age of the
passive partner for the adult to be liable." (See Soncino Talmud Glossary
for definition of
Baraitha.)

2   I.e., Rab makes nine years the minimum; but if one committed sodomy
with a child of lesser
age, no guilt is incurred. Samuel makes three the minimum. 
3   At nine years a male attains ***ual matureness.
4   Lev. XVIII, 22. Thus the point of comparison is the ***ual matureness
of woman, which is
reached at the age of three. 
5   (Ra**** reads [H] instead of the [H] in our printed texts. A male, aged
nine years and a day
who commits etc.] There are thus three distinct clauses in this Baraitha.
The first — a male
aged nine years and a day — refers to the passive subject of pederasty,
the punishment being
incurred by the adult offender. This must be its meaning — because
firstly, the active offender
is never explicitly designated as a male, it being understood, just as the
Bible states, Thou
shalt not lie with mankind, where only the *** of the passive participant
is mentioned; and
secondly, if the age reference is to the active party, the guilt being
incurred by the passive
adult party, why single out pederasty: in all crimes of *****, the
passive adult does not
incur guilt unless the other party is at least nine years and a day? Hence
the Baraitha
sup****ts Rab's contention that nine years (and a day) is the minimum age
of the passive partner
for the adult to be liable.
— Rabbi Dr. Freedman

The plain English meaning of the Talmud text is clear, but if there is any
doubt, the Soncino
scholars put the matter to rest: No guilt is incurred with a boy child
younger than nine, even
in *****.
 




 5 Posts in Topic:
Re: Spin Doctoring does not negate the truth about how Jews view
"Chris C. Larson&quo  2008-05-08 09:11:49 
Re: Spin Doctoring does not negate the truth about how Jews view
Craig Stevens <craig_s  2008-05-08 15:35:06 
Re: Spin Doctoring does not negate the truth about how Jews view
Craig Stevens <craig_s  2008-05-08 20:33:19 
Re: Spin Doctoring does not negate the truth about how Jews view
Craig Stevens <craig_s  2008-05-08 23:05:02 
Re: Spin Doctoring does not negate the truth about how Jews view
"B.H. Cramer" &  2008-05-09 20:11:22 

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