Talk About Network

Google


Register and Login
Nick
Password
Register create new account Sign up is FREE and you can post replies, new topics, bookmark posts and more!
Recover lost password


Religion > Presbyterian > Re: Babylonian ...
Latest [ Topics | Posts ] Archive Post A New Topic Post a Reply
<< Topic < Post Post 17 of 17 Topic 5737 of 5870
Post > Topic >>

Re: Babylonian Talmud (Soncino Version) available for free download +

by Mirelle <mirellebonte123@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 8, 2008 at 08:28 AM

Craig Stevens wrote:
> I have download this set of files and it is very useful and well
executed.=
 All of you Goy who
> are curious about the Neo-Pharisees teach about us need to look no
further=
.. This material is
> free of charge and it has no pop-ups or advertising. It does not add
files=
 to your windows
> directory etc. You can even install it on a USB thumb drive and carry
nit =
with you so you can
> show unbelievers what Jews teach about non-Jews and some of their
medicina=
l remedies which are
> a real hoot. Remember the Talmud is supposedly a book of great wisdom
and =
is the centerpiece of
> modern Judaism.  http://www.come-and-hear.com/download.html

Thanks, Craig.
I am downloading it right now.

Mirelle
> Here are some entries you can find and verify for yourselves;
>
> http://www.come-and-hear.com/gittin/gittin_69.html
> Gittin 69a
> For swollen glands,8  R. Johanan said that pellitory leaves are as good
as=
 mamru9  and the root
> of pellitory better than mamru, and he should put them in his mouth.
This =
is to prevent it from
> spreading. To soften it he should take bran that came to the top of the
si=
eve and lentils with
> the earth still on them and clover and hemlock flower and the bud of
cuscu=
ta, and he should put
> about the size of a nut in his mouth. To make it burst, someone should
blo=
w into his throat
> seeds of unripe dates, through a wheat straw. To make the flesh close he
s=
hould bring dust from
> the shadow of a privy and knead it with honey and eat. This is
effective. =
For catarrh10  he
> should take about the size of a pistachio of gum-ammoniac and about the
si=
ze of a nut of sweet
> galbanum and a spoonful of white honey and a Mahuzan natla11  of clear12
 =
wine and boil them up
> together; when the gum-ammoniac boils, it is all boiled enough. If he
cann=
ot manage this, let
> him take a revi'ith of milk of a white goat
>
> Gittin 69b
> and let it drip on three stalks of carob and stir it with a piece of
stem =
of marjoram; when the
> stem of marjoram is boiled it is all boiled enough. He can also take the
e=
xcrement of a white
> dog and knead it with balsam, but if he can possibly avoid it he should
no=
t eat the dog's
> excrement as it loosens the limbs.
>
> <STOP>
>
> Any Jew could use the excrement of a white dog as a medicinal cure.
Rememb=
er it has to be the
> excrement of a white dog and not a black or brown dog. :-)  And to think
t=
he Talmud is
> allegedly Jewish High Wisdom.
>
> http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_57.html
> Sanhedrin 57a "'With respect to robbery =EF=BF=BD if one stole or robbed
o=
r [seized] a beautiful woman,
> or [committed] similar offences, if [these were perpetrated] by one
Cuthea=
n against another,
> [the theft, etc.] must not be kept, and likewise [the theft] of an
Israeli=
te by a Cuthean, but
> that of a Cuthean by an Israelite may be retained'" ... 'For murder,
wheth=
er of a Cuthean by a
> Cuthean, or of an Israelite by a Cuthean, punishment is incurred; but of
a=
 Cuthean by an
> Israelite, there is no death penalty'" ... But how can you say that such
r=
obbery by one Cuthean
> from another is but a 'similar act' [i.e., bordering on robbery]: since
a =
Cuthean does not
> forgive, is it not actual theft? =EF=BF=BD But R. Aha, the son of R. Ika
a=
nswered; It applies to the
> withholding of a labourer's wage.  One Cuthean from another, or a
Cuthean =
from an Israelite is
> forbidden, but an Israelite from a Cuthean is permitted."
>
> Footnotes:
> 'Cuthean' (Samaritan) was here substituted by the censor for the
original =
goy (heathen).
> [I.e., though it is forbidden to rob the heathen (v. Yad, Genebah I, 2;
VI=
, 8), the offence was
> non-actionable. For reason, v. B. K. (Sonc. ed.) note on Mishnah 37b.]
>
> <STOP>
>
> Nice people the Jews. It's okay to withhold wages from a goy, it's okay
to=
 steal from a goy and
> it is kosher to kill a goy but woe be to the goy who did likewise to a
Jew=
..
>
> In the following entry apologia is made for Jewesses to have ***ual
relati=
ons with dogs and not
> suffer the death penalty lest there wouldn't be any women left for the
pri=
ests to marry. Those
> Talmudic Sages must have had a lot of bestiality in their community for
th=
em to author the
> following claptrap.
>
> Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Yebamoth
>
> Folio 59a
> Rab Judah stated in the name of Rab: A woman who was subjected to
unnatura=
l intercourse is
> disqualified from marrying a priest.36  Raba raised an objection: And
she =
shall be his wife,37
> applies to a woman eligible to marry him. This excludes [the marriage
of] =
a widow38  to a High
> Priest,39  of a divorced woman38  and a haluzah38  to a common priest.
Now=
, how is one to
> understand [the outrage]?40  If it be suggested that it was one of
natural=
 intercourse, what
> [it may be asked] was the object of pointing to her widowhood41  when
[her=
 prohibition] could
> be inferred from the fact that she had carnal intercourse with a man?42 
M=
ust it not
> consequently [be assumed to be] a case of unnatural intercourse; and the
o=
nly reason43  [why
> the woman is forbidden44  is] because she is a widow, and not because
she =
had had carnal
> intercourse!45
>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------=
------
> Original footnotes renumbered. See Structure of the Talmud Files
>
> [...] Go to web page or download the Talmud to see all of the footnotes
>
> 45  Which proves that unnatural intercourse does not cause a woman to be
f=
orbidden to marry a
> High Priest. How then could Rab state that a woman in such cir***stances
i=
s forbidden?
> Tractate List / Glossary / Search / Bible Reference
>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------=
------
>
> Yebamoth 59b
> =EF=BF=BD This1  represents the view of2  R. Meir,3  while Rab holds the
s=
ame view as R. Eleazar.4  If
> [Rab holds the same view] as R. Eleazar, what was the object of pointing
t=
o her previous carnal
> intercourse5  when [her prohibition] could have been inferred from the
fac=
t that she was a
> harlot,6  R. Eleazar having stated that an unmarried man who cohabited
wit=
h an unmarried woman
> with no matrimonial intention renders her thereby a harlot!7  =EF=BF=BD
R.=
 Joseph replied:8  When, for
> instance, the woman was subjected to intercourse with a beast, where the
r=
eason of 'previous
> carnal intercourse' may be applied but not that of harlot.9   Said Abaye
t=
o him: Whatever you
> prefer [your reply cannot be upheld], If she is a be'ulah10  she must
also=
 be a harlot; and if
> she is not a harlot11  she cannot be a be'ulah either! And were you to
rep=
ly: This case is
> similar to that of a wounded woman,12  [it may be pointed out] that if
[th=
e disqualification
> should be extended to] unnatural intercourse also,13  you will find no
wom=
an eligible to marry
> a [High Priest [since there is not one] who has not been in some way 
woun=
ded14  by a splinter!
> No, said R. Zera,15  in respect of a minor who made a declaration of
refus=
al.16
>
> R. ****mi b. Hiyya stated: A woman who had intercourse with a beast is
elig=
ible to marry a
> priest.17  Likewise it was taught: A woman who had intercourse with that
w=
hich is no human
> being,18  though she is in consequence subject to the penalty of
stoning,1=
9  is nevertheless
> permitted to marry a priest.20
>
> When R. Dimi came21  he related: It once happened at Haitalu22  that
while=
 a young woman was
> sweeping the floor23  a village dog24  covered her from the rear,25  and
R=
abbi permitted her to
> marry a priest. Samuel said: Even a High Priest. But was there a High
Prie=
st in the days of
> Rabbi?26  =EF=BF=BD Rather, [Samuel meant]: Fit for a High Priest.
>
> Raba of Parzakaia27  said to R. A****: Whence is derived the following
stat=
ement which the
> Rabbis made: Harlotry is not applicable to bestial intercourse?
=EF=BF=BD =
It is written, Thou shalt not
> bring the hire of a harlot, or the price of a dog,28  and yet we learned
t=
hat the hire of a
> dog29  and the price of a harlot30  are permitted31  because it is said,
E=
ven both these,28
> two only but not four.
>
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------=
------
> Original footnotes renumbered. See Structure of the Talmud Files
>
> [...] Go to web page or download the Talmud to see all of the footnotes
>
> 6   Who is forbidden not only to a High Priest but also to a common
priest=
 (v. Lev. XXI, 7).
> Why, then, did Rab refer to a High Priest only?
>
> 9   A term which is not applicable to bestial intercourse. V. infra.
> 10  [H] one who had experienced carnal intercourse.
> 11  Presumably because her act cannot be regarded as '***ual
intercourse'.=

> 12  V. supra p. 394, n. 8. As in her case marriage with a High Priest is
f=
orbidden (v. our
> Mishnah), though she is no harlot, so also in the case of bestial
intercou=
rse.
> 13  I.e., if injury to the anus is to be subject to the same
restrictions =
as injury to the
> hymen.
>
> 17  Even a High Priest. The result of such intercourse being regarded as
a=
 mere wound, and the
> opinion that does not regard an accidentally injured hymen as a
disqualifi=
cation does not so
> regard such an intercourse either.
> 18  A beast.
> 19  If the offence was committed in the presence of witnesses after due
wa=
rning.
> 20  In the absence of witnesses and warning.
>
> 23  Lit., 'house'.
> 24  Or 'big hunting dog' (Ra****), 'ferocious dog' (Jast.), 'small wild
dog=
' (Aruk).
> 25  A case of unnatural intercourse.
>
--------------------------------------------------------------------------=
------
>
> <STOP>
>
> That "When R. Dimi came21  he related: It once happened at Haitalu22 
that=
 while a young woman
> was sweeping the floor23  a village dog24  covered her from the rear" is
t=
ruly hilarious
> especially when you see the footnote "24  Or 'big hunting dog' (Ra****),
'f=
erocious dog'
> (Jast.), 'small wild dog' (Aruk)." The Jews even elaborate on the types
of=
 dogs mounting their
> Jewesses from the rear or as they said giving them the splinter.
>
> Remember the splinter?
>
> R. Joseph replied:8  When, for instance, the woman was subjected to
interc=
ourse with a beast,
> where the reason of 'previous carnal intercourse' may be applied but not
t=
hat of harlot.9
> Said Abaye to him: Whatever you prefer [your reply cannot be upheld], If
s=
he is a be'ulah10
> she must also be a harlot; and if she is not a harlot11  she cannot be a
b=
e'ulah either! And
> were you to reply: This case is similar to that of a wounded woman,12 
[it=
 may be pointed out]
> that if [the disqualification should be extended to] unnatural
intercourse=
 also,13  you will
> find no woman eligible to marry a [High Priest [since there is not one]
wh=
o has not been in
> some way  wounded14  by a splinter!
>
> Splinter is the Jewish Sage's code word for a dog *****.
>
> Once again that last line "if [the disqualification should be extended
to]=
 unnatural
> intercourse also, you will find no woman eligible to marry a [High
Priest =
[since there is not
> one] who has not been in some way  wounded  by a splinter!"
>
> IOW there wasn't one Jewess who had not been wounded by a splinter or in
p=
lain English
> "unnatural intercourse" aka "intercourse with that which is no human
being=
"
>
> More Talmudic claptrap from New York City's Chabad Lubavitch Jews (These
a=
re the Jews who back
> Hillary Clinton and they are the ones with the quaint hats and long side
b=
urns and beards).
>
> http://www.mnemotrix.com/chabad/
>
> "CB"N - ViewPoint: February 1998 ...Although the Jews are prohibited
from =
speaking out against
> idolatry in lands outside the land of Israel, we must keep in mind that
th=
is is our land, that
> these are our people. The Bible is full of stories about what happens to
G=
entile lands that do
> not enforce the prohibition of idolatry.
>    Why don't we direct our energies on doing something about the
idolatry =
within our own land?
> Christianity clearly violates the two primary Laws of the Torah, that of
i=
dolatry and
> blasphemy.
>    We need to take action. We need to go on the offensive. We need to
stri=
ve to establish
> courts that uphold all of the Laws of Noah, not just a few of them. And
ma=
ybe then, when the
> Church is too busy trying to save its own idolatrous skin to worry about
c=
onverting the Jews,
> will they have the time to do other things, such as teach us the Sheva
Mit=
zvot."
> http://tinyurl.com/43nfx3
>
> "CB"N - Mo****ach ..Even within ka'al B'nei Noach we find individuals who
s=
till struggle to keep
> their belief in Jesus intact. Instead of believing in the Gentiles'
Jesus,=
 they now believe in
> a Jewish Jesus - and they now call him Yeshua HaMo****ach (Yeshua the
Messi=
ah). They strip away
> the Christian's anglo-saxon garments of Jesus and redress him in a more
et=
hnic Jewish costume.
> Now Yeshua is introduced as an Orthodox rabbi, complete with tzitzits,
tal=
lit, and tefillin.
> And by doing this to Jesus, they believe they have rectified the
Church's =
whitewa****ng of a
> Jewish Yeshua into a figure called Jesus, and that they have restored
the =
truth to the
> world..." http://tinyurl.com/5we3py
>
http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/webinator/search3/+hwwBm3e7xrwwebxXDqFqGgrG=
o5BowDarnwBrnDtFqnpwGwrFqmMwLozmxwwwMFqomxqrwxwm/context.html#hit1
>
> "CB"N - The Covenant of Everlasting Life - The idea of everlasting life
is=
 rather appealing to
> most folks... And now a personal observation, if you please: If (indeed,
I=
F: hypothetical
> speculation with such an example is, at best, an exercise of futility -
th=
e socio-historical
> situation speaks for itself in the archives of Jewish history) the
righteo=
us Jews of the Second
> Temple period had taught the Seven Laws of Noah to the non-Jews, there
wou=
ld never have risen a
> religion such as Christianity. With the knowledge that (through the
observ=
ance of the Sheva
> Mitzvot B nei Noach) everlasting life could be attained as promised by
Has=
hem to Noach, the
> resulting fabrication that everlasting life could come only through
belief=
 and wor****p of a
> human being would never have happened. Instead, as we have noted, the
teac=
hing concerning the
> Covenant of the Rainbow - The Covenant of Everlasting Life, had been
force=
d into hiding by the
> vicious persecution of the Jews, and the new covenant of Christianity
was =
but a pagan attempt
> to replace the eternal Covenant made by Hashem to Noach..."
http://tinyurl=
..com/67nlov
>
http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/webinator/search3/+BwwBm3e3xt5ZyeODHwFqGgrG=
o5BowDarnwBrnDtFqnpwGwrFqmMwLozmxwwwMFqomxqrwxwm/context.html#hit1
>
> "Sincerity - I am Abraham s Servant - [A] Jew is a son of G-d whereas a
no=
n-Jew is intended to
> be a servant of G-d. Although a Jew in essence is always a son, when he
do=
es not merit (to
> manifest the essence of his Divine soul) he is also referred to as a...
(4=
K) Excerpt: " With
> the advent of Ma****ach, all non-Jews will willfully serve (the Divine
purp=
ose of) the Jewish
> people. Here lies the essence of the clarification in the mind of the
non-=
Jew with regard to
> the identity of the true Ma****ach. As mentioned above, at present a very
l=
arge percentage of
> the non-Jewish world wor****ps an individual Jew as god. The non-Jewish
wor=
ld must come to
> recognize that all Jews are indeed sons of G-d. The non-Jew must strive
to=
 serve and help
> G-d s children fulfill their purpose to bring redemption to the world.
The=
n will
> the true Ma****ach reveal himself." http://tinyurl.com/bzemy
>
http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/webinator/search3/+YwwBmeoxN1elkmdqekzbtqg5=
d1camoVoDnaDdDe2DqxiaTw5rowqrtFqnpwGwrFqmMwLozmxwwwMFqomxqrwxwm/context.html=
#hit1
>
> Does everyone get the gist of the phrase "all non-Jews will willfully
serv=
e (the Divine
> purpose of) the Jewish people" which is what they tried with their
communi=
sm.
>
> Perhaps this will make it clearer;
>
> "...Communism, despite its flaws and corruptions, has had a profound
effec=
t on our sense of
> social justice. Christianity, despite the horrendous atrocities it
perpetr=
ated and justified,
> played a major role in introducing, to a largely pagan world, the
concepts=
 (though much
> adulterated) of a one, omnipotent and non- cor****eal G-d and of a
messiani=
c end-goal to
> existence."
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/63558/jewish/IV-=
Wheres-the-Truth.htm
>
> All of the above quoted from what Jewish Rebbes teach their nest of
serpen=
ts.
>
> More (downloadable) Talmudic hatred against non-Jews =3D gentiles =3D
heat=
hen =3D Cutheans =3D minim =3D
> goy =3D goyim
>
> http://www.come-and-hear.com/zarah/zarah_26.html
> Babylonian Talmud: Tractate =EF=BF=BDAbodah Zarah
> Folio 26a
> MISHNAH. AN ISRAELITE WOMAN SHOULD NOT ACT AS MIDWIFE TO A HEATHEN
WOMAN, =
BECAUSE SHE WOULD BE
> DELIVERING A CHILD FOR IDOLATRY. A HEATHEN WOMAN, HOWEVER, MAY ACT AS
MIDW=
IFE TO AN ISRAELITE
> WOMAN. AN ISRAELITE WOMAN SHOULD NOT SUCKLE THE CHILD OF A HEATHEN, BUT
A =
HEATHEN WOMAN MAY
> SUCKLE THE CHILD OF AN ISRAELITE WOMAN IN HER PREMISES.
>
> GEMARA. Our Rabbis taught: An Israelite woman should not act as midwife
to=
 heathen, because she
> delivers a child to idolatry; nor may a heathen woman [be allowed to]
act =
as midwife to an
> Israelite woman because heathens are suspected of murder. This is the
opin=
ion of R. Meir. The
> Sages, however, say: A heathen may act as midwife to an Israelite woman
so=
 long as there are
> others standing by, but not if she is acting on her own.5  But R. Meir
hol=
ds: Not even if
> others are standing by her, for she may find an op****tunity of pressing
he=
r hand on the
> [infant's] temples and kill it without being observed; witness the
inciden=
t of that woman who,
> on being called by a neighbour 'Jewish midwife, the daughter of a Jewish
m=
idwife!' retorted,
> 'May as many evils befall that woman, as I have dropped [Jewish
children] =
like lumps of wood
> into the river.' Our Rabbis, however, say: No; she may have merely given
h=
er some kind of
> retort.
>
> AN ISRAELITE WOMAN SHOULD NOT SUCKLE etc. Our Rabbis taught: An
Israelite =
woman should not
> suckle a child of a heathen, because she rears a child for idolatry; nor
s=
hould a heathen woman
> [be allowed to] suckle a child of an Israelite woman, because she is
liabl=
e to murder it. This
> is the opinion of R. Meir. But the Sages say: A heathen may suckle a
child=
 of an Israelite
> woman, so long as there are others standing by her, but not if she is on
h=
er own. R. Meir,
> however, says: Not even while others are standing by her, for she may
take=
 the op****tunity of
> rubbing in poison on her breast beforehand and so kill the child. And
both=
 the above instances
> are necessary; for if we were told about a midwife only [we might have
tho=
ught that] only in
> that case do the Sages permit, since, being observed by others, she
could =
do no harm, but in
> the case of suckling, where it is possible for her to apply poison to
the =
breast beforehand and
> so kill the child, they might agree with R. Meir. If [on the other hand]
w=
e were told only
> about suckling, [we might have thought that] only in that case does R.
Mei=
r forbid, because she
> could kill the child by applying poison to her breast beforehand, but in
t=
he case of a midwife,
> where she could do no harm while others are standing by her, he might
agre=
e with the Rabbis;
> [hence both are] necessary.
>
> The following was cited in contradiction: A Jewish woman may act as
midwif=
e to a heathen woman
> for payments but not gratuitously!...
>
> <STOP>
>
> http://www.come-and-hear.com/babakamma/babakamma_38.html
>
> Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Baba Kamma
> The same has been taught as follows: If the ox of an Israelite gores an
ox=
 of a Canaanite there
> is no liability,  but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an
Israelite =
whether the ox [that
> did the damage] was Tam or whether it had already been Mu 'ad, the
payment=
 is to be in full
>
> <STOP>
>
> Gentiles never have equality in the Jewish system of things.
>
> In closing here is what the Jewish Talmud teaches about Jesus and
deceased=
 Christians.
>
> http://www.come-and-hear.com/gittin/gittin_56.html
> http://www.come-and-hear.com/gittin/gittin_57.html
> Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Gittin
> Folio 56b
> Onkelos son of Kolonikos20  was the son of Titus's sister. He had a mind
t=
o convert himself to
> Judaism. He went and raised Titus from the dead by magical arts, and
asked=
 him; 'Who is most in
> repute in the [other] world? He replied: Israel. What then, he said,
about=
 joining them? He
> said: Their observances are burdensome and you will not be able to carry
t=
hem out. Go and
> attack them in that world and you will be at the top as it is written,
Her=
 adversaries are
> become the head21  etc.; whoever har***** Israel becomes head. He asked
hi=
m:
> Folio 57a
> What is your punishment [in the other world]? He replied: What I decreed
f=
or myself. Every day
> my ashes are collected and sentence is passed on me and I am burnt and
my =
ashes are scattered
> over the seven seas. He then went and raised Balaam by incantations. He
as=
ked him: Who is in
> repute in the other world? He replied: Israel. What then, he said, about
j=
oining them? He
> replied: Thou shalt not seek their peace nor their prosperity all thy
days=
 for ever.1  He then
> asked: What is your punishment? He replied: With boiling hot semen.2  He
t=
hen went and raised
> by incantations the sinners of Israel.3  He asked them: Who is in repute
i=
n the other world?
> They replied: Israel. What about joining them? They replied: Seek their
we=
lfare, seek not their
> harm. Whoever touches them touches the apple of his eye. He said: What
is =
your punishment? They
> replied: With boiling hot excrement, since a Master has said: Whoever
mock=
s at the words of the
> Sages is punished with boiling hot excrement.
>
> Original footnotes renumbered. See Structure of the Talmud Files
>
> 1  Deut. XXIII, 7.
> 2  Because he enticed Israel to go astray after the daughters of Moab.
V. =
Sanh. 106a.
> 3  [MS.M. Jesus].
>
> http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_106.html
> Sanh. 106a
> A soothsayer? But he was a prophet! =EF=BF=BD R. Johanan said: At first
he=
 was a prophet, but
> subsequently a soothsayer.41  R. Papa observed: This is what men say,
'She=
 who was the
> descendant of princes and governors, played the harlot with
carpenters.'42=

>
> Footnotes:
>
> 41  As a punishment for wi****ng to curse Israel he was degraded from a
pro=
phet to a soothsayer.
> 42 '****pdraggers,' (v. Ra****). Herford, Christianity in the Talmud, p.
48,=
 suggests that Balaam
> is frequently used in the Talmud as a type for Jesus (v. also pp.
64-70). =
Though no name is
> mentioned to shew which woman is meant, the mother of Jesus may be
alluded=
 to, which theory is
> strengthened by the statement that she mated with a carpenter.
> Sanhedrin 106b
>      Did the children of Israel slay with the sword among them that were
s=
lain by them.1  Rab
> said: They subjected him to four deaths, stoning, burning, decapitation
an=
d strangulation.2
> A certain min3   said to R. Hanina: Hast thou heard how old Balaam was?
=
=EF=BF=BD He replied: It is not
> actually stated, but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall
n=
ot live out half
> their days,4  [it follows that] he was thirty-three or thirty-four years
o=
ld.5  He rejoined:
> Thou hast said correctly; I personally have seen Balaam's Chronicle, in
wh=
ich it is stated,
> 'Balaam the lame was thirty years old when Phinehas the Robber killed
him.=
'6
>
> Footnotes:
>
> 6  [According to the view that all the Balaam passages are
anti-Christian =
in tendency, Balaam
> being used as an alias for Jesus, Phinehas the Robber is thus taken to
rep=
resent Pontius
> Pilatus, and the Chronicle of Balaam probably to denote a Gospel (v.
Herfo=
rd op. cit. 72ff.).
> This view is however disputed by Bacher and others: cf. Ginzberg,
Journal =
of Biblical
> Literature, XLI, 121.]
>
> http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_107.html
> Babylonian Talmud: Tractate Sanhedrin
> Folio 107a
>
> Footnotes:
>
> II Kings V, 27. The uncensored edition continues: What of R. Joshua b.
Per=
ahjah? =EF=BF=BD When King
> Jannai slew our Rabbis, R. Joshua b. Perahjah (and Jesus) fled to
Alexandr=
ia of Egypt. On the
> resumption of peace, Simeon b. Shetach sent to him: 'From me,
(Jerusalem) =
the holy city, to
> thee, Alexandria of Egypt (my sister). My husband dwelleth within thee
and=
 I am desolate.' He
> arose, went, and found himself in a certain inn, where great honour was
sh=
ewn him. 'How
> beautiful is this Acsania!' (The word denotes both inn and innkeeper. R.
J=
oshua used it in the
> first sense; the answer assumes the second to be meant.) Thereupon
(Jesus)=
 observed, 'Rabbi,
> her eyes are narrow.' 'Wretch,' he rebuked him, 'dost thou thus engage
thy=
self.' He sounded
> four hundred trumpets and excommunicated him. He (Jesus) came before him
m=
any times pleading,
> 'Receive me!' But he would pay no heed to him. One day he (R. Joshua)
was =
reciting the Shema',
> when Jesus came before him. He intended to receive him and made a sign
to =
him. He (Jesus)
> thinking that it was to repel him, went, put up a brick, and wor****pped
it=
.. 'Repent,' said he
> (R. Joshua) to him. He replied, 'I have thus learned from thee: He who
sin=
s and causes others
> to sin is not afforded the means of repentance.' And a Master has said,
'J=
esus the Nazarene
> practised magic and led Israel astray.' For a full discussion of this
pass=
age and attempted
> explanation of this anachronism making Jesus a contem****ary of King
Jannai=
 (104-78 B.C.E.). v.
> Herford, op. cit. 51ff. [The tradition of an early Jesus was also known
to=
 Epiphanius. Whether
> he derived this tradition from the Talmud or from an independent source
is=
 a moot point hotly
> contested by Klausner and Guttmann; v. MGWJ. 1931, 250ff. and 1933, 38.
In=
 any case there does
> not appear to be sufficient data available to account for this
tradition.]=

>
>
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt01.html
>
> from The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today
> by Elizabeth Dilling
>
> I.
> THE PHARISEES, THE TALMUD,
> AND MODERN JUDAISM
>
> Bible scholars are aware that Jesus Christ denounced the Pharisees. He
sai=
d they nullified all
> the Commandments of God by their Tradition, "teaching for doctrines the
co=
mmandments of men"
> (Mark 7:13; Matt. 15:6-9, etc.). His invective, in truth, cannot be
equall=
ed. All of Matthew 23
> is like a whiplash. He likened Pharisaism to a whited sepulchre, indeed
be=
autiful outwardly,
> but "inside full of dead men's bones and of all uncleanness." Christ
clima=
xed one condemnation
> after another with the expletive, "Hypocrites!" He called the Pharisees
ch=
ildren of them that
> killed the Prophets. He foretold they would go on killing, crucifying
and =
persecuting until the
> guilt for all the righteous blood shed from Abel on down would be upon
the=
m. "Ye serpents, ye
> generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?" Christ
ask=
ed.
> Christ is as utterly devastating of Pharisaism in the record of John 8.
Al=
though He admitted
> that His hearers were descendants of Abraham, He said they were,
spiritual=
ly, of the devil.
> Christ told them:
>
> Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will
do. =
He was a murderer
> from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because the truth is not
i=
n him. When he
> speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father
of=
 it (John 8:44).
> The Missing Link
> "But," says the disinterested Christian, "what has that to do with us
toda=
y? What a group of
> Pharisees did two thousand years ago is over and done with!"
>
> However, the missing link in Christian understanding on the subject of
"Ph=
arisees" is best
> supplied by the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia (1943):
>
> The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent, without a break,
th=
rough all the
> centuries, from the Pharisees. Their leading ideas and methods found
expre=
ssion in a literature
> of enormous extent, of which a very great deal is still in existence.
The =
Talmud is the largest
> and most im****tant single piece of that literature =EF=BF=BD and the
study=
 of it is essential for any
> real understanding of Pharisaism.
>
> Concerning the Pharisees, the 1905 Jewish Encyclopedia says:
>
> With the destruction of the Temple (70 A.D.) the Sadducees disappeared
alt=
ogether, leaving the
> regulation of all Jewish affairs in the hands of the Pharisees.
Henceforth=
, Jewish life was
> regulated by the Pharisees; the whole history of Judaism was
reconstructed=
 from the Pharisaic
> point of view, and a new aspect was given to the Sanhedrin of the past.
A =
new chain of
> tradition supplanted the older priestly tradition (Abot 1:1). Pharisaism
s=
haped the character
> of Judaism and the life and thought of the Jew for all the future. (See
Ex=
hibit 264 herein.)
> Historically speaking, scripture believers had accepted Christ as the
Mess=
iah foretold. They
> were no longer "Jews," but called themselves "Christians." They were
perse=
cuted as such by the
> Pharisees. The word "Pharisee" comes from the word "separated." (See
Exhib=
it 300.)
>
> The Babylonian Talmud, Sole Authority
>
> You may ascertain by turning to top Jewish authorities today that the
Baby=
lonian Talmud, the
> written form of the Tradition of the Pharisees, is the sole authority of
t=
he so-called "Jewish"
> religion, or Judaism.
>
> Rabbi Louis Finklestein was chosen in 1937 by the Kehillas (Jewish
communi=
ties) of the World as
> one of the top 120 Jews best representing "a lamp of Judaism" to the
World=
, together with Maxim
> Litvinov (Finklestein), the Communist Commissar and bank robber
terrorist;=
 atheist communist
> Albert Einstein; those indefatigable Marxist reds, Harold Laski and his
fr=
iend Felix
> Frankfurter (U.S. Supreme Court Justice) who shared honors with Rabbi
Fink=
lestein and others.
> Finklestein has long headed the Jewish Theological Seminary of America,
wi=
th branches in New
> York and Los Angeles. In his two-volume work "The Pharisees." Rabbi
Finkle=
stein writes:
>
> Pharasaism became Talmudism =EF=BF=BD But the spirit of the ancient
Pharis=
ee survives unaltered. When
> the Jew =EF=BF=BD studies the Talmud, he is actually repeating the
argumen=
ts used in the Palestinian
> academies. From Palestine to Babylonia; from Babylonia to North Africa,
It=
aly. Spain, France
> and Germany; from these to Poland. Russia and Eastern Europe generally,
an=
cient Pharasaism has
> wandered. (See Exhibit 1, Exhibit 2, and Exhibit 3 herein.)
> In Rabbi Finklestein's history of the Jews, he states:
>
> The Talmud derives its authority from the position held by the ancient
aca=
demies. (i.e.
> Pharisee) The teachers of those academies, both of Babylonia and of
Palest=
ine. were considered
> the rightful successors of the older Sanhedrin . . . At the present
time, =
the Jewish people
> have no living central authority comparable in status to the ancient
Sanhe=
drins or the later
> academies. Therefore, any decision regarding the Jewish religion must be
b=
ased on the Talmud as
> the final resum=EF=BF=BD of the teaching of those authorities when they
ex=
isted.
> [page 2] (The Jews =EF=BF=BD Their History, Culture, and Religion , Vol.
4=
, p. 1332, Jewish Publication
> Society of America, 1949).
> "The Talmud: Heart's Blood of the Jewish Faith," was the heading of a
Nove=
mber, 1959,
> installment of a bestselling book by the Jewish author, Herman Wouk,
which=
 ran serially in the
> New York Herald-Tribune.
>
> To quote:
>
> The Talmud is to this day the circulating heart's blood of the Jewish
reli=
gion. Whatever laws,
> customs or ceremonies we observe =EF=BF=BD whether we are Orthodox,
Conser=
vative, Reform or merely
> spasmodic sentimentalists =EF=BF=BD we follow the Talmud. It is our
common=
 law.
> Why Was It So Often Burned?
> Why is the Talmud kept so unknown to non-Jews? Why was there no usable
Eng=
lish translation of
> the Talmud until the Soncino Edition, 1934-48? Why, in European history,
w=
hen the laws of the
> Talmud became commonly known, was it burned over and over by order of
the =
Popes, excoriated by
> Martin Luther, denounced everywhere, and its followers exiled from one
cou=
ntry after another
> down through the centuries?
>
> The Talmud's basic law is that only the Pharisee Jew ranks as a man, or
hu=
man being. All others
> rank as animals, "the people who are like an ass =EF=BF=BD slaves who
are =
considered the property of
> the master." The attitude resulting from such teachings has been
resented =
by non-Jews in all
> countries and centuries. Such resentment, however, is always ****trayed
by =
Jews as "persecution
> of the Jews."
>
> Moses, on the contrary, was most insistent upon having one law for the
str=
anger and for the
> "home-born" and in teaching that the stranger must not be oppressed.
(Exod=
us 12:49; Lev. 24:22,
> Num. 9:14; 15:15-16, 29, etc.) In fact, he ordered: "Love ye therefore
the=
 stranger; for ye
> were strangers in the land of Egypt." (Deu. 10:19) It was only the
abomina=
tors he warned
> against.
>
> Babylonian Talmud =EF=BF=BD The Law
>
> The Babylonian Talmud is the law for so-called Judaism. However, its
****o=
graphic, anti-Gentile
> and anti-Christian doctrines have often caused hostility against it. It
ma=
y then be argued by
> some Jews that there is a Palestinian Talmud which is innocuous.
Neverthel=
ess, you may look up
> the fact that Jewish authorities state it was lost for a thousand years,
h=
as missing parts and
> lacks the "Gemara" and other essentials, and is only used as a scholar's
c=
uriosity. Note the
> statement of British Chief Rabbi Hertz in his foreword to the Soncino
edit=
ion of the Babylonian
> Talmud (Exhibit 33):
>
> The Palestinian Talmud =EF=BF=BD was for many centuries almost forgotten
b=
y Jewry. Its legal decisions
> were at no time deemed to possess validity, if opposed by the Babylonian
T=
almud.
> Was Christ Just to Pharisees?
>
> Without some knowledge of the written form of the "Tradition of the
Pharis=
ees," the Babylonian
> Talmud, one is unable to intelligently judge whether Jesus Christ was
fair=
 and just in His acid
> denunciations of Pharisaism, or not. One needs proof, offered by the
irref=
utable exhibits from
> Jewish authorities (set forth elsewhere herein) that the Talmud reverses
e=
very one of the Ten
> Commandments, the teachings of Moses and the Prophets, and enshrines
their=
 opposites under a
> "whited sepulchre" which is a disguise for murder and "all uncleanness,"
a=
s Christ charged.
> Murder of non-Pharisees is always permitted; theft, sodomy, *****, rape
a=
re all permitted. For
> example, the righteousness of grown men violating baby girls under three
i=
s a favorite topic
> for discussion in book after book of the Talmud.
>
> Talmudic literature is one long paean of praise for the very name
Babylon,=
 and all that it
> means to Babylonian Talmudism today, whereas it is a term of reproach in
O=
ld and New
> Testaments.
>
> Note the Foreword to the first English translation of the Babylonian
Talmu=
d by the late Chief
> Rabbi of Great Britain, J.H. Hertz, who, like Rabbi Finklestein, was one
o=
f the 120 Jews chosen
> in 1937 by the Kehillas of the World as best holding up the "lamp of
Judai=
sm:"
>
> The beginnings of Talmudic literature date back to the time of the
Babylon=
ian Exile in the
> Sixth pre-Christian Century =EF=BF=BD When a thousand years later, the
Bab=
ylonian Talmud assumed final
> codified form in the year 500 after the Christian era, the Roman Western
E=
mpire had ceased to
> be. (See Exhibit 30).
>
> Rabbi Hertz extolls the Babylonian Exile, saying: "The Babylonian Exile
is=
 a momentous period =EF=BF=BD
> During that Exile Israel found itself. It =EF=BF=BD rediscovered the
Torah=
 and made it the rule of life
> =EF=BF=BD"
>
> What he really means is that it was discovered how the Torah or Bible
coul=
d be used as a
> "whited sepulchre" for Babylonian degeneracy, as even a cursory study
will=
 reveal.
>
> One Rabbi Akiba was a First Century Talmud "sage," of whom Moses was
even =
supposedly jealous!
> (See Exhibit 32). Rabbi Hertz lauds Rabbi Akiba (Exhibit 32):
>
> Akiba was the author of a collection of traditional laws out of which
the =
Mishna actually grew.
> He was the greatest among the rabbis of his own and of succeeding times
=
=EF=BF=BD His keen and
> penetrating intellect enabled him to find a Biblical basis for every
provi=
sion of the Oral Law.
> Still enthusing over the Babylonian derivation of Pharisaism, Rabbi
Hertz =
continues (See
> Exhibit 34):
>
> When we come to the Babylonian Gemara, we are dealing with what most
peopl=
e understand when
> they speak or write of the Talmud. Its birthplace, Babylonia, was an
auton=
omous Jewish center
> for a longer period than any other land; namely from soon after 586
before=
 the Christian era to
> the year 1040 after the Christian Era =EF=BF=BD 1626 years. (Exhibit 34)
> [page 3] You will note in reproductions of Talmud pages that the word
"Gem=
ara" designates the
> argumentation of the rabbis, the ultimate decision being summarized as
the=
 "Mishnah."
>
> Bible Versus Oral Law (Talmud)
>
> The Bible under Talmudic Judaism is considered to be a collection of
simpl=
e tales fit only for
> fools, women and children. The Talmud "sages" thus must find new
meanings =
in it by letter and
> number tricks which reverse the plain meaning and create out of it the
per=
mission to do
> otherwise forbidden crimes and misdeeds. The words of the Bible are
contin=
ually misused and
> misquoted for purposes of blasphemy and reversal.
>
> Stealing for themselves the title of "Israelites," the Talmud "sages"
teac=
h that "God made a
> covenant with Israel only for the sake of that which was transmitted
orall=
y." (See Exhibit 60)
> And the Biblical "basis" of this is given as Exodus 34:27. But that
verse =
states, instead: "And
> the Lord said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of
t=
hese words I have
> made a covenant with thee and with Israel" =EF=BF=BD the opposite!
(Talmud=
, Gittin 60b, See Exhibit
> 204) The Talmudic reversal of Moses' written words are said to have been
t=
ransmitted "orally,"
> and through Moses himself =EF=BF=BD believe it or not!
>
> Bearing in mind that the Scribes were the Pharisee teachers of the Law
of =
Moses, carefully
> distorted to comprise the Talmud, note: "There is greater stringency in
re=
spect to the
> teachings of the Scribes than in respect to the Torah =EF=BF=BD so that
a =
Biblical law may be
> transgressed." (Talmud, Sanhedrin 88b, see Exhibit 95).
>
> The Torah in its narrow sense is the Old Testament, and in a still
narrowe=
r meaning the first
> five books (Pentateuch) of Moses. In its wider Judaistic use it means
the =
Old Testament as
> misinterpreted by the Pharisaic Talmud. Always with Judaism the Talmud
ran=
ks above the Bible in
> every way.
>
> Not reproduced here is a Talmud passage from the book of Nedarim (vows)
of=
 which Exhibit 170 is
> the title page. The Soncino edition of the Talmud states (page 107):
>
> As will be seen on 37a, Scripture was generally regarded as the study of
c=
hildren only, adults
> usually investigating the deeper meaning =EF=BF=BD From this we see that
i=
t was usual to teach the
> Bible to girls in spite of the Talmudic deduction that daughters need
not =
be educated (Kid.
> 30a). The opposition of Rabbi Eliezer to teaching the Torah to one's
daugh=
ter (Sotah 20a "He
> who teaches his daughter Torah is as though he taught her lewdness.")
was =
probably directed
> against the teaching of the Oral Law, and the higher branches of study
(V.=
 Maimonides Yad.
> Talmud Torah) =EF=BF=BD The context shows that the reference is to the
hig=
her knowledge of Biblical
> law.
>
> The Talmud (Sanhedrin 59a, See Exhibit 60), states:
>
> A heathen who studies the Torah deserves death for it is written, Moses
co=
mmanded us a law for
> an inheritance; it is our inheritance, not theirs.
> Reference is also made to the "Noachian laws" which the non-Jew may
study =
"but not laws which
> do not pertain to them." Also: " =EF=BF=BD (the) objection was to the
stud=
ying of the Oral Law =EF=BF=BD Rabbi
> Johanan feared the knowledge of Gentiles in matters of Jurisprudence, as
t=
hey would use it
> against the Jews in their opponents' courts." Understandably, since all
Ta=
lmud laws
> discriminate against the non-Jew and rank him a virtual animal, these
were=
 apt observations.
>
> The Jewish Encyclopedia is still more open about what is in Sanhedrin
59a =
of the Talmud, above,
> threatening death for revelation of "Torah" laws to Gentiles: "for such
kn=
owledge might have
> operated against the Jews in their opponents' courts." This observation
fo=
llows a dissertation
> on the laws on cheating and getting the best of Gentiles in trade and in
c=
ourt. (See Exhibit
> 271, left column)
 




 17 Posts in Topic:
Babylonian Talmud (Soncino Version) available for free download
Craig Stevens <craig_s  2008-05-05 08:05:23 
Re: Babylonian Talmud (Soncino Version) available for free downl
Craig Stevens <craig_s  2008-05-06 16:02:45 
Re: Babylonian Talmud (Soncino Version) available for free downl
"Chris C. Larson&quo  2008-05-06 15:23:37 
Re: Babylonian Talmud (Soncino Version) available for free downl
"Chris C. Larson&quo  2008-05-06 17:47:27 
Re: Babylonian Talmud (Soncino Version) available for free downl
"Truth Will Out"  2008-05-07 00:57:47 
Re: Babylonian Talmud (Soncino Version) available for free downl
"Chris C. Larson&quo  2008-05-06 19:44:30 
IF MOHAMMED KNEW WHAT WE KNOW TODAY, HE WOULD HAVE EXTERMINATED
Aviroce <dudaraster@[E  2008-05-06 20:14:03 
Re: IF MOHAMMED KNEW WHAT WE KNOW TODAY, HE WOULD HAVE EXTERMINA
"Frank Arthur"   2008-05-07 11:17:46 
Jewish Talmud teaches sodomy on young boys is permissable if the
Craig Stevens <craig_s  2008-05-07 06:09:44 
Re: Jewish Talmud teaches sodomy on young boys is permissable if
a little sanity, please   2008-05-07 11:20:54 
Re: Jewish Talmud teaches sodomy on young boys is permissable if
Craig Stevens <craig_s  2008-05-07 06:41:44 
Re: Jewish Talmud teaches sodomy on young boys is permissable if
Craig Stevens <craig_s  2008-05-07 22:15:08 
Re: Jewish Talmud teaches sodomy on young boys is permissable if
a little sanity, please   2008-05-08 09:55:15 
Re: Jewish Talmud teaches sodomy on young boys is permissable if
Craig Stevens <craig_s  2008-05-07 07:23:42 
Re: Jewish Talmud teaches sodomy on young boys is permissable if
Craig Stevens <craig_s  2008-05-07 22:29:06 
Re: Jewish Talmud teaches sodomy on young boys is permissable if
"Chris C. Larson&quo  2008-05-07 05:01:49 
Re: Babylonian Talmud (Soncino Version) available for free downl
Mirelle <mirellebonte1  2008-05-08 08:28:21 

Post A Reply:
  Go here to Signup

AddThis Feed Button


About - Advertising - Contact - Frequently Asked Questions - Privacy Policy - Terms of Use - Signup

Contact
tan13V112 Thu Jul 24 7:49:30 CDT 2008.