On Thu, 8 May 2008 07:08:08 +0000 (UTC),
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>Craig Stevens <craig_stevens@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Wed, 7 May 2008 06:42:42 -0700,
>> <dAfUj.1771$7k7.954@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "L Alpert"
>> <alpertl@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Craig Stevens" <craig_stevens@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>>> On Tue, 6 May 2008 21:45:34 +1000,
>>>> <gsWdneW82t5v2b3VnZ2dnUVZ_siknZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "B.H.
>>>> Cramer" <Iamhre@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
'oment.bizz> wrote:
>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> What's da matta Frank? You couldn't deal with what was posted?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They have a habit of trying to move the conversation away whenever
>>>>>>>they feel threatened.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And the fools seem to think we don't notice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not only do we notice but just think of all the countless lurkers
>>>>>> out there who read these posts now as well as future lurkers
reading
>>>>>> these posts in the google archives. Kind of makes me feel a little
>>>>>> pride when I or anyone else like you or me make a well do***ented
>>>>>> post and then have our opponents behave in the neurotic hostile
>>>>>> manner they are known to do.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have received a significant amount of material from those same
>>>>>"lurkers" you mention.
>>>>>
>>>>>For very obvious reasons, they are reluctant to post to the
>>>>>newsgroups, I have no such reticence.
>>>>
>>>> It is a rough road the brave minority of us are destined to travel.
>>>>
>>>> We are making headway and we are being noticed by people who do
>>>> matter and that is why our opponents wage their constant war against
>>>> us. If we weren't a threat to them they would simply ignore us and
>>>> enjoy their lives.
>>>
>>>There is no headway. No one cares other than thr small sect of loonies
>>>that like to circle jerk each other in these groups.
>>
>> If you truly believed what you just claimed you would ignore us
totally.
>
>Who is this "us"?
Ben Cramer and myself. What is the matter Barry? You don't know how to
read a usenet post?
>> If we aren't making any headway then why the bother?
>
>To insure your paranoia.
Projecting again I see.
>>>> "To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
>>>> acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer and
>>>> impossible to ignore. ... The reason men are silenced is not because
>>>> they speak falsely, but because they speak the truth. This is because
>>>> if men speak falsehoods, their own words can be used against them;
>>>> while if they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used against
>>>> them -- except force." --John Bryant
>>
>> You and yours are continually exerting great efforts to spin doctor
what
>> we post and you only do such by ad hominem attacks against us, making
up
>> lies about us, quoting us out of context etc.
>>
>> Here is your spin doctor David S. Maddison caught lying;
>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/
>>
>> David S. Maddison starts out by telling a lie and it is "Much of
>> anti-Semitism appears to have its origins in the supposed belief that
>> Jews must intrinsically hate Christianity and humanity in general. Of
>> course, this is not true..."
>>
>> Here are some teachings which prove David S. Maddison lied above;
>>
>> "CB"N - ViewPoint: February 1998 ...Although the Jews are prohibited
>> from speaking out against idolatry in lands outside the land of Israel,
>> we must keep in mind that this is our land, that these are our people.
>> The Bible is full of stories about what happens to Gentile lands that
do
>> not enforce the prohibition of idolatry.
>> Why don't we direct our energies on doing something about the
>> idolatry within our own land?
>> Christianity clearly violates the two primary Laws of the Torah, that
of
>> idolatry and blasphemy.
>> We need to take action. We need to go on the offensive. We need to
>> strive to establish
>> courts that uphold all of the Laws of Noah, not just a few of them. And
>> maybe then, when the Church is too busy trying to save its own
>> idolatrous skin to worry about converting the Jews, will they have the
>> time to do other things, such as teach us the Sheva Mitzvot."
>> http://tinyurl.com/43nfx3
>>
>> Here is David Maddison again "Much of anti-Semitism appears to have its
>> origins in the supposed belief that Jews must intrinsically hate
>> Christianity and humanity in general. Of course, this is not true..."
>>
>> "CB"N - Mo****ach ..Even within ka'al B'nei Noach we find individuals
who
>> still struggle to keep their belief in Jesus intact. Instead of
>> believing in the Gentiles' Jesus, they now believe in a Jewish Jesus -
>> and they now call him Yeshua HaMo****ach (Yeshua the Messiah). They
strip
>> away the Christian's anglo-saxon garments of Jesus and redress him in a
>> more ethnic Jewish costume. Now Yeshua is introduced as an Orthodox
>> rabbi, complete with tzitzits, tallit, and tefillin. And by doing this
>> to Jesus, they believe they have rectified the Church's whitewa****ng of
>> a Jewish Yeshua into a figure called Jesus, and that they have restored
>> the truth to the world..." http://tinyurl.com/5we3py
>>
>> "CB"N - The Covenant of Everlasting Life - The idea of everlasting life
>> is rather appealing to most folks... And now a personal observation, if
>> you please: If (indeed, IF: hypothetical speculation with such an
>> example is, at best, an exercise of futility - the socio-historical
>> situation speaks for itself in the archives of Jewish history) the
>> righteous Jews of the Second Temple period had taught the Seven Laws of
>> Noah to the non-Jews, there would never have risen a religion such as
>> Christianity. With the knowledge that (through the observance of the
>> Sheva Mitzvot B nei Noach) everlasting life could be attained as
>> promised by Hashem to Noach, the resulting fabrication that everlasting
>> life could come only through belief and wor****p of a human being would
>> never have happened. Instead, as we have noted, the teaching concerning
>> the Covenant of the Rainbow - The Covenant of Everlasting Life, had
been
>> forced into hiding by the vicious persecution of the Jews, and the new
>> covenant of Christianity was but a pagan attempt to replace the eternal
>> Covenant made by Hashem to Noach..." http://tinyurl.com/67nlov
>>
>> "...Communism, despite its flaws and corruptions, has had a profound
>> effect on our sense of social justice. Christianity, despite the
>> horrendous atrocities it perpetrated and justified, played a major role
>> in introducing, to a largely pagan world, the concepts (though much
>> adulterated) of a one, omnipotent and non- cor****eal G-d and of a
>> messianic end-goal to existence."
>>
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/63558/jewish/IV-Wheres-the-Truth.htm
>>
>> All of the above quoted from what Jewish Rebbes teach their nest of
>> serpents. All of the above can be verified using key word searches at
>> this link: http://www.mnemotrix.com/chabad/
>>
>> I invite everyone to go to that search page and enter searches for
Jesus
>> or Christian and see what you get. A search for Jesus turned up this
>> gem;
>>
>> "Thank you Chabad - Jesus was not the Messiah. Now he says he works
>> toward getting other Jews like himself to return to Yiddishkeit. It was
>> a truly inspiring story. This story was distributed over the Internet
>> and somehow reached my... Excerpt: " It was a story about Jack, a
>> "Jewish-Christian missionary" who worked to convert Jews to
Christianity
>> until he was convinced by you and other Jews on the Internet that
>> Judaism was truly the "correct" religion and that Jesus was not the
>> Messiah."
>>
>> That smacks of antichristism.
>
>You smack of being a good judgemental christian.
I didn't judge I merely commented on the "teaching" versus the scripture.
It is the scripture which judges your kind Barry. It is only God who can
do true judgment as to a person's salvation but God does give people
the power to judge what is right.
Luke 12:57 "Why don't you judge for yourselves what is right?"
>> "Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard that
>> antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists.
>> Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the
>> Christ? These things I write you about those who are trying to mislead
>> you! For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not
>> confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver
and
>> the antichrist. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this
teaching,
>> never receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For he that
>> says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works." 1 John
>> 2:18,22,23 ; 2 John 7,10,11
>>
>> More Jewish antichristism;
>>
>> "The Laws Concerning Ma****ach - Every Day: Studies by the Lubavitcher
>> Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem M. Schneerson (shlita) on the Rambam's Conception
>> of Ma****ach and the Ultimate Redemption. These chapters conclude the
>> final section (Hilchos Melachim -... The translation of this classic
>> text which Sichos In English presents herewith is not only new, but -
>> unlike almost all of the extant printed editions, even in the Hebrew
>> original - unexpurgated. All the passages suppressed by various
medieval
>> Christian censors have been translated in full. They appear here in the
>> footnotes that are keyed to the exact positions from which they were
>> deleted. At this point, before being censored by medieval Christian
>> authorities, the Rambam's original text continued: "..and save Israel
>> from the hand's of Esav's descendants. This and two other such
deletions
>> have been copied verbatim in these footnotes from the celebrated
>> Yemenite manuscript in the hands of Chacham Yosef Kapach of Jerusalem.
>> (See footnotes 4 and 5, below.)] "Can there be a greater stumbling
block
>> than [Christianity]? All the prophets spoke of Mo****ach as the redeemer
>> of Israel and their savior, who would gather their dispersed ones and
>> strengthen their [observance of] the mitzvos. In contrast [the founder
>> of Christianity] caused the Jews to be slain by the sword, their
>> remnants to be scattered and humiliated, the Torah to be altered, and
>> the majority of the world to err and serve a god other than the L-rd."
>> "How will this come about? The entire world has already become filled
>> with talk of [the supposed] Messiah, as well as of the Torah and the
>> mitzvos."
>>
>> Now paraphrasing David Maddison "Much of anti-Semitism appears to have
>> its origins in the supposed belief that Jews must intrinsically hate
>> humanity in general. Of course, this is not true..."
>>
>> EXAMPLES OF JEWS HATING HUMANITY IN GENERAL
>>
>>
http://web.archive.org/web/20051215154030re_/www.kosherquest.org/html/wines.htm
>> "Wines - Throughout the Torah, we are reminded of the great
>> spiritual significance of wine in the life of a Jew. In fact, the
>> Talmudic rabbis saw fit to establish a special law with special regard
>> to wine. Today, the vast majority of wines on the market are unfit for
>> consumption by the kosher consumer. Throughout all the stages of wine
>> production, the strictest kosher supervision is required until the
final
>> stage of the actual bottling. There is, of course, the prohibition
>> concerning wines which relates to the status of boiled wine. Kosher
wine
>> that has been cooked before contact with a non-Jew has occurred is
>> exempted from the injunction. This prohibition stems from the
historical
>> perspective that boiled wine was considered “improper” to be offered as
>> a libation to an idol (where wines were often offered by these idol
>> wor****pping nations). Such wine, (called “Yayin Nesach”), that had been
>> offered to an idol was prohibited for Jewish use of any kind. This was
a
>> Torah-based prohibition. In addition, there is also a rabbinic
>> prohibition which forbids drinking the ordinary wine of non-Jews in
>> order to reduce social contact which could lead to assimilation and
>> intermarriage. Such wine is called “Stam Yenam”.
>>
>>
http://web.archive.org/web/20000311025759re_/chabad.org/gopher/daily/tany
>> a/regular/02/19.htm "Tanya (Regular Year): 19 Iyyar
>> Yetzer Hara also come to love G-d. And for this one must first meditate
>> on the contents of the blessings of the Shema, which describe the
>> self-nullification of the angels and other creatures. Thus, the
>> blessings... It is therefore impossible to say that "You have chosen
>> us" refers to Jewish souls, for there can be no comparison between
Jewish
>> and non- Jewish souls, inasmuch as a Jew's soul "is truly part of G-d
>> Above.""
So a "non-Jews' soul is NOT truly part of God above?" Did everyone catch
on how Jews make distinctions?
>>
>>
http://web.archive.org/web/19991103060159re_/www.chabad.org/gopher/daily/tanya/regular/08/12.htm
>> "Tanya (Regular Year): 12 Mar Cheshvan
>> Vitebsk (or Horodok), who had settled in the Holy Land in 1777. It
>> concludes by rousing them to the mitzvah of tzedakah in general, and
>> particularly of maintaining the family of R. Mendel. The Alter Rebbe is
>> here... [This alludes to the Chayah of the tzaddik, the soul-level
which
>> is even loftier than the soul-level called Neshamah, and which infuses
>> the followers of the tzaddik with a transcendent mode of life-force
>> which enables them to withstand challenges from non-Jewish (i.e.,
>> unholy) sources."
So non-Jewish = unholy. That's odd seeing how spin doctor David S.
Maddison
propagandized "Much of anti-Semitism appears to have its origins in the
supposed
belief that Jews must intrinsically hate Christianity and humanity in
general. Of
course, this is not true..." Jews are all to willing to call those who
expose their
lies and hypocrisy anti-Semites but they take offense when they are
properly referred
to as anti-Christs who teach antichristism.
>> These examples are true gems in proving Davis Maddison's damage control
>> web page lies.
>>
>>
http://web.archive.org/web/20021112002620re_/www.utexas.edu/depts/cjso/ChaiTimes/v2.2/Intermarriage.txt
>> "There is no Intermarriage! by Sam Kochman... ...,
>> people must understand the difference between a Jew and
>> a non-Jew. There is one difference between a Jew and a non-Jew. A Jew
>> has a Nefesh, a divine soul, which a non Jew does not have. This soul
is
>> part of G-d and this is what makes us Jews, not how many mitzvahs we do
>> or how good a person we are. The divine union of marriage is between
>> Nefeshot(two souls). When a Jew "marries" a non-Jew this union cannot
>> occur because there are not two souls to combine."
Once again Jewish Sam Kochman taught "There is one difference between a
Jew and a
non-Jew. A Jew has a Nefesh, a divine soul, which a non Jew does not have.
This soul
is part of G-d ... The divine union of marriage is between Nefeshot(two
souls). When
a Jew "marries" a non-Jew this union cannot occur because there are not
two souls to
combine."
Nice people the Jews. They deny being bigots.
>>
http://web.archive.org/web/20021118135324re_/www.torahcc.org/mishna/5762/21-10-01/shabbat.htm
>> Torah Community Connections Mishna Yomit
>>
>> Week 100 - Shabbat - 27 October 2001
>>
>> BAVA METZIA: CHAPTER 5: MISHNAH 6
>>
>> One may not accept an ironclad investment from an Israelite, since it
is
>> interest, but one may accept an ironclad investment from heathens.
>> Furthermore, one may borrow from them and loan to them with interest.
>> The same applies to a resident alien. An Israelite may loan the money
of
>> a heathen with the approval of the heathen, but not with the approval
of
>> an Israelite...
>>
>> But one may accept an ironclad investment from heathens - since it is
>> permitted to loan to a non-Jew for interest... <STOP>
>>
>> http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_57.html
>> "Sanhedrin 57a "'With respect to robbery — if one stole or robbed or
>> [seized] a beautiful woman, or [committed] similar offences, if [these
>> were perpetrated] by one Cuthean against another, [the theft, etc.]
must
>> not be kept, and likewise [the theft] of an Israelite by a Cuthean,
>> butthat of a Cuthean by an Israelite may be retained'" ... 'For murder,
>> whether of a Cuthean by a Cuthean, or of an Israelite by a Cuthean,
>> punishment is incurred; but of a Cuthean by an Israelite, there is no
>> death penalty'" ... But how can you say that such robbery by one
Cuthean
>> from another is but a 'similar act' [i.e., bordering on robbery]: since
>> a Cuthean does not forgive, is it not actual theft? — But R. Aha, the
>> son of R. Ika answered; It applies to the withholding of a labourer's
>> wage. One Cuthean from another, or a Cuthean from an Israelite is
>> forbidden, but an Israelite from a Cuthean is permitted."
>> Footnotes:
>> 'Cuthean' (Samaritan) was here substituted by the censor for the
>> original goy (heathen).
>> [I.e., though it is forbidden to rob the heathen (v. Yad, Genebah I, 2;
>> VI, 8), the offence was non-actionable. For reason, v. B. K. (Sonc.
ed.)
>> note on Mishnah 37b.]"
>>
>> Nice people the Jews. It's okay to withhold wages from a goy, it's okay
>> to steal from a goy and it is kosher to kill a goy but woe be to the
goy
>> who does likewise to a Jew.
>>
>> http://www.okkosher.com/Content.asp?ID=143
>> Nowadays the ordinary wine of a non-Jew, or Jewish wine that has been
>> touched by a non-Jew, is, according to the opinion of some authorities,
>> forbidden only for drinking purposes, but not forbidden to derive any
>> benefit from it. Therefore, we are permitted to take non-Jewish wine in
>> payment of a debt due us, for it is equivalent to saving it from a
loss.
>> The same law applies to a case, when we have violated the law and have
>> purchased wine from them. But it is forbidden in the first instance to
>> buy wine from them in order to make a profit by it. Other authorities
>> are lenient even as regards the latter case, but it is best to follow
>> the stricter opinion.
>>
>> It is permissible to make a bath out of non-Jewish wine for a sick
>> person although he is not critically ill.
>>
>> If water is poured upon the kernels of pressed grapes, or upon the lees
>> of wine, as long as it is improved for the purpose of drinking by doing
>> so, it becomes forbidden when touched by a non-Jew.
>>
>> If some wine has been extracted from the grapes pressed in a tank, be
it
>> even only a small quantity, or if some wine has been taken out of it
>> into a vessel, the entire contents of the tank is legally called wine,
>> and it becomes forbidden by the touch of a non-Jew even if only the
>> kernels or the husks have been touched. It is, therefore, forbidden to
>> make use of the tanks of grapes found in the house of a non-Jew, for it
>> is likely that the non-Jew has already extracted some wine from it. It
>> is forbidden to let a non-Jew press grapes in a tank, even if such a
>> tank is provided with a stopper.
>>
>> If vinegar is made out of kosher wine, and it is so strong that it
>> seethes when poured upon the ground, it no longer becomes forbidden by
>> the touch of a non-Jew. But if vinegar is made out of non-Jewish wine,
>> it always remains forbidden.
>>
>> If a non-Jew touches wine by means of something else (not a part of his
>> body), or if it is touched through his power, a rabbi should be
>> consulted as to the fitness of the wine.
>>
>> When we send wine through a non-Jew, we must take the precaution of
>> doubly sealing the mouth or the faucet of the vessel.
>>
>> There are many diverse laws regarding the wine that a Jew makes for a
>> non-Jew, for the purpose of selling it to Jewish consumers. In certain
>> instances, even double seals and a lock are of no avail. It is
necessary
>> to consult an ordained rabbi as to what procedure to follow in such a
>> case. The scrupulous should avoid the use of such wine.
>>
>> <STOP>
>>
>> Everyone re-read all of the above and then ask yourselves if David S.
>> Maddison was being truthful when he claimed "Much of anti-Semitism
>> appears to have its origins in the supposed belief that Jews must
>> intrinsically hate Christianity and humanity in general. Of course,
this
>> is not true..."
>>
>> If non-Jews were to teach the same exact things about Jews then they
>> would be called anti-Semitic racist bigots. Just reverse Jews and
>> non-Jews in the examples above to get the full meaning of Jewish
>> bigotry. An example from the last entry and last paragraph above;
>>
>> THIS
>>
>> "There are many diverse laws regarding the wine that a Jew makes for a
>> non-Jew, for the purpose of selling it to Jewish consumers. In certain
>> instances, even double seals and a lock are of no avail. It is
necessary
>> to consult an ordained rabbi as to what procedure to follow in such a
>> case. The scrupulous should avoid the use of such wine."
>>
>> BECOMES THIS
>>
>> "There are many diverse laws regarding the wine that a non-Jew makes
for
>> a Jew, for the purpose of selling it to non-Jewish consumers. In
certain
>> instances, even double seals and a lock are of no avail. It is
necessary
>> to consult an ordained minister as to what procedure to follow in such
a
>> case. The scrupulous should avoid the use of such wine."
>>
>> OR
>>
>> THIS
>>
>> "If a non-Jew touches wine by means of something else (not a part of
his
>> body), or if it is touched through his power, a rabbi should be
>> consulted as to the fitness of the wine."
>>
>> BECOMES THIS
>>
>> "If a Jew touches wine by means of something else (not a part of his
>> body), or if it is touched through his power, a clergyman should be
>> consulted as to the fitness of the wine."
>>
>> Simply put Jews are bigots and they are bigots based upon religion.
>
>
>Yes, the christian religion...and christians.
Funny thing you replied the way you did. It is kosher for you Jews to
practice
bigotry against the rest of humanity but when the same exact Jewish
teaching has
Jew and non-Jew reversed you react in the manner you did which proves Jews
do
think too highly of themselves.
BTW why did you delete all of these news groups from your reply?
alt.revisionism,soc.culture.usa,alt.religion.christian.presbyterian,
alt.religion.christian.lutheran,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,
alt.religion.christian
Are you afraid they may start see you Jewish bigots just for what you are?
I restored all the news groups you deleted because it is those people's
right to see your kind for what they are.
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