"Chris C. Larson" <larsonchris321@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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May 4, 11:10 pm, Craig Stevens <craig_stev...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
> http://www.jewishledger.com/articles/2006/02/23/news/news02.txt
> "In metzitzah b'peh, a mohel orally sucks blood from the site of the
> genital cut he makes
> during the cir***cision procedure."
>
> http://www.jewishcir***cision.org/jnews90.htm
> Jewish News - September, 1990
> Cir***cision: New Information Raises Questions
> By Ronald Goldman
>
> Though many divine laws, rituals, and traditions are ignored by numerous
> American Jews, such as
> observing Shabbat and Kashrut, many Jews have accepted cir***cision
> without subjecting it to
> any intellectual or emotional scrutiny.
>
> There have been several reasons. Many Jewish parents have not considered
> cir***cision a choice
> at all. It was expected and not seriously questioned. There was little
> awareness or knowledge
> of its effect on the infant. Some parents have had doubts, but they were
> buried under the
> avalanche of thoughts related to tradition, history, and fears and
> insecurities about
> nonconformance to group practice. Health beliefs may have also played a
> role.
>
> Recent medical re****ts have now caused concern and provoked questions by
> some Jews about this
> ancient practice. In the March, 1988 issue of the Journal of the
American
> Medical Association,
> Howard J. Stang, M.D. and colleagues at Group Health Inc. and the
> University of Minnesota
> re****t, "There is no doubt that cir***cisions are painful for the baby.
> Indeed, cir***cision
> has become a model for the analysis of pain and stress responses in the
> newborn. Not only does
> the unanesthetized newborn cry vigorously, tremble, and in some cases
> become mildly cyanotic
> because of prolonged crying, but other stress-related physiological
> reactions have also been
> demonstrated, including dramatic changes in heart and respiratory rates
> and in transcutaneous
> oxygen and plasma cortisol levels."
>
> In the November 19, 1987 issue of New England Journal of Medicine, Anand
> and Hickey, in a
> comprehensive review of recent medical literature on newborn pain,
> conclude that newborn
> responses to pain are "similar to but greater than those in adult
> subjects." Concerning the
> memory of pain in neonates they write, "The persistence of specific
> behavioral changes after
> cir***cision in neonates implies the presence of memory. In the short
> term, these behavioral
> changes may disrupt the adaptation of newborn infants to their postnatal
> environment, the
> development of parent-infant bonding, and feeding schedules. In the long
> term, painful
> experiences in neonates could possibly lead to psychological sequelae,
> since several workers
> have shown that newborns may have a much greater capacity for memory
than
> was previously
> thought."
>
> Dr. Richard Schwartzman of Philadelphia and Dr. Charles Konia of Easton,
> PA help patients
> resolve past traumas. Dr. Schwartzman re****ts, "I have had patients who
> have re-lived the
> experience as evidenced by the severe pain felt at the site where the
> foreskin was cut." Dr.
> Konia re****ts, "I can tell you that from my clinical experience in
> treating patients who
> relived their cir***cision as well as observing newborns being
cir***cised
> in the delivery room
> it is a nightmarish experience. I shudder each time I witness patients
> going through the horror
> (emphasis by Dr. Konia)."
>
> Dr. Thomas Verney has conducted more than twenty years of medical
research
> on prenatal
> experience. In his book The Secret Life of the Unborn Child, Dr. Verney
> writes that the unborn
> child is aware and leads an active emotional life from about the sixth
> month on. "The fetus can
> see, hear, experience, taste and, on a primitive level, even learn in
> utero. Most im****tantly,
> he can feel... What a child feels and perceives begins shaping his
> attitudes and expectations
> about himself." Dr. Verney concludes that parents can actively "help
shape
> the personality of
> their unborn child. They can actively contribute to his happiness and
> well-being, and not just
> in utero, nor in the years immediately following birth, but for the rest
> of his life (emphasis
> by Dr. Verney).
>
> Frederick Leboyer has delivered more than 10,000 babies. In Birth
Without
> Violence he writes
> "People say - and believe - that a newborn baby feels nothing. He feels
> everything. Everything
> - utterly, without choice or filter or discrimination." Dr. Leboyer
found
> that babies born with
> minimal trauma developed into happier and emotionally healthier
children.
> Other studies have
> shown that babies who are touched develop more quickly and gain more
> weight.
>
> The new evidence sup****ts the conclusion that the infant's experience in
> the womb, birth
> itself, cir***cision, and contact after birth have a significant impact
on
> future well-being
> and functioning.
>
> <<Does everyone get that point? Is it no wonder so many Jewish males are
> neurotic?>>
>
> Jewish cir***cision has nothing to do with health factors. However, some
> people believe it has
> health benefits. In the past routine hospital cir***cision has been
> promoted as a preventive
> cure for masturbation, mental illness, venereal disease, cancer, and
> uncleanliness. Recent
> studies have disproved all of these claims. Edward Wallerstein's book
> Cir***cision: An American
> Health Fallacy addresses this issue in convincing detail. The incidence
of
> health problems
> related to the foreskin is so low that removing it as a preventive cure
> would be tantamount to
> performing routine appendectomies to prevent appendicitis. The American
> Academy of Pediatrics
> and the American College of Obstetrics have concluded "there are no
valid
> medical indications
> for cir***cisions in the neonatal period."
>
> Some Jews believe, without any specific knowledge, that cir***cision
> methods of mohelim are
> superior to those of doctors and cause less pain to the infant.
Actually,
> traditional mohel
> methods such as using sharp fingernails for cutting and sucking blood
from
> the cut by mouth
> have been abandoned in favor of modern clamp devices.
>
> Most mohelim get their training in hospitals and many are also doctors.
> Orthodox mohelim do not
> use the clamp devices because they believe bleeding is a religious
> requirement. Consequently,
> infants cir***cised without clamp devices have more risk of
hemorrhaging.
> In any case, there is
> no reason to believe that cir***cisions by mohelim are less painful to
the
> infant.
>
> Whether an infant is cir***cised in the hospital by medical staff or in
> the home by a mohel,
> there are medical risks as with any surgery. Though the incidence is
very
> small, there is
> potential for hemorrhage, infection, and surgical injury. On rare
> occasions death has resulted.
> For this reason Jewish law allows for exemptions when other children in
> the family have died
> from the effects of cir***cision.
>
> There is considerable misunderstanding of the anatomy of the foreskin.
> Little information has
> been available about foreskin for laymen or medical professionals. The
> assumption that it had
> no useful purpose and could be cut off as inconsequentially as hair is
> false. Foreskin contains
> erogenous tissue with a high concentration of sensitive nerves, and it
> serves an im****tant
> purpose in intercourse. During erection the foreskin ****fts to cover the
> upper shaft of the
> *****, a location which would contact the vaginal wall during
intercourse.
> Foreskin also has
> the purpose of protecting the ***** against irritation and is not
normally
> retractable until
> two or three years after birth.
>
> Without this protection, the ***** loses some of its sensitivity. A rare
> adult who had a
> cir***cision (while under general anesthesia) re****ted later that the
head
> of his ***** "lost
> its sensitivity and as it did I realized I had lost something rather
> vital. Stimuli that had
> previously aroused ecstasy had relatively little effect...Cir***cision
> destroys a very joyful
> aspect of the human experience for both males and females."
>
> Some who have witnessed cir***cisions re****t little or no crying
response
> from the infant.
> There are three explanations for this. Nobody wants to hurt infants.
> Anyone involved in
> cir***cision does not want to believe that it is painful to the infant.
> Otherwise, he would
> have to question his sup****t for the practice. Cir***cision has been
such
> a fixture in American
> Jewish culture that questioning it can be very difficult. For many
people
> it is easier to
> resolve this potential conflict by denying the reality of infant pain.
>
> Rosemary Romberg, author of Cir***cision - The Painful Dilemma regrets
> having her three sons
> cir***cised. The third son, unlike the other two, was born at home into
a
> gentle, loving
> environment in a Leboyer-type birth. She re****ts a "profound and
dramatic
> difference in the
> nature of the baby born in this manner, compared to the baby born by
> conventional
> techniques...The baby born to conventional birthing procedures is in a
> state of trauma anyway -
> whether he is cir***cised or not!! This explains why some babies do not
> cry or appear to react
> when their foreskins are clamped and sliced off. The baby is already in
a
> state of withdrawal,
> simply from other common traumatic procedures associated with
conventional
> birth...Another
> explanation for the absence of crying during cir***cision is that for
some
> babies the shock of
> the assault is so intense that they cannot cry!" (All emphases are by
> Romberg.) Rather than
> endure the experience of overwhelming trauma and pain, the infant may
> escape into withdrawal or
> a semicoma state. As adults we also have escape mechanisms for traumatic
> overload, such as
> fainting. Therefore, vocal response alone is not always a reliable pain
> indicator.
>
> Jews have always been sup****tive of human rights. Human rights must
> certainly include a right
> to one's own body. Some Jews are now asking if anyone has the right to
> represent infants in
> such a critical irreversible decision as removing a normal, functioning
> part of their anatomy
> for religious reasons.
>
> Many Jews associate cir***cision with their Jewish identity. However,
> being cir***cised does
> not make one Jewish. More than one million infants are cir***cised in
this
> country every year
> and the overwhelming majority are not Jewish. Of course, ...
>
> read more »
Mr. Stevens:
Since when do you give a **** about Christianity? Seeing as you are
the reining antichrist here, it seems out of character. I'm
cir***cized and I'm not Jewish. Less parts to clean-it's a good deal!
Your obsession with *****'s is noted. Bet you can't wait for the next
Aryan congress?
Yanno, going back through the google archives and reading your
contributions, faggotboi, it seems you have never been guilty of posting
anything of any substance.
Your post above perfectly encapsulates the type of ****e you've been
posting
for years. And that's as good as it gets.
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