On Mon, 5 May 2008 08:48:19 -0700 (PDT),
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> "Chris
C. Larson"
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> wrote:
>On May 4, 11:10 pm, Craig Stevens <craig_stev...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>> http://www.jewishledger.com/articles/2006/02/23/news/news02.txt
>> "In metzitzah b'peh, a mohel orally sucks blood from the site of the
genital cut he makes
>> during the cir***cision procedure."
>>
>> http://www.jewishcir***cision.org/jnews90.htm
>> Jewish News - September, 1990
>> Cir***cision: New Information Raises Questions
>> By Ronald Goldman
>>
>> Though many divine laws, rituals, and traditions are ignored by
numerous American Jews, such as
>> observing Shabbat and Kashrut, many Jews have accepted cir***cision
without subjecting it to
>> any intellectual or emotional scrutiny.
>>
>> There have been several reasons. Many Jewish parents have not
considered cir***cision a choice
>> at all. It was expected and not seriously questioned. There was little
awareness or knowledge
>> of its effect on the infant. Some parents have had doubts, but they
were buried under the
>> avalanche of thoughts related to tradition, history, and fears and
insecurities about
>> nonconformance to group practice. Health beliefs may have also played a
role.
>>
>> Recent medical re****ts have now caused concern and provoked questions
by some Jews about this
>> ancient practice. In the March, 1988 issue of the Journal of the
American Medical Association,
>> Howard J. Stang, M.D. and colleagues at Group Health Inc. and the
University of Minnesota
>> re****t, "There is no doubt that cir***cisions are painful for the baby.
Indeed, cir***cision
>> has become a model for the analysis of pain and stress responses in the
newborn. Not only does
>> the unanesthetized newborn cry vigorously, tremble, and in some cases
become mildly cyanotic
>> because of prolonged crying, but other stress-related physiological
reactions have also been
>> demonstrated, including dramatic changes in heart and respiratory rates
and in transcutaneous
>> oxygen and plasma cortisol levels."
>>
>> In the November 19, 1987 issue of New England Journal of Medicine,
Anand and Hickey, in a
>> comprehensive review of recent medical literature on newborn pain,
conclude that newborn
>> responses to pain are "similar to but greater than those in adult
subjects." Concerning the
>> memory of pain in neonates they write, "The persistence of specific
behavioral changes after
>> cir***cision in neonates implies the presence of memory. In the short
term, these behavioral
>> changes may disrupt the adaptation of newborn infants to their
postnatal environment, the
>> development of parent-infant bonding, and feeding schedules. In the
long term, painful
>> experiences in neonates could possibly lead to psychological sequelae,
since several workers
>> have shown that newborns may have a much greater capacity for memory
than was previously
>> thought."
>>
>> Dr. Richard Schwartzman of Philadelphia and Dr. Charles Konia of
Easton, PA help patients
>> resolve past traumas. Dr. Schwartzman re****ts, "I have had patients who
have re-lived the
>> experience as evidenced by the severe pain felt at the site where the
foreskin was cut." Dr.
>> Konia re****ts, "I can tell you that from my clinical experience in
treating patients who
>> relived their cir***cision as well as observing newborns being
cir***cised in the delivery room
>> it is a nightmarish experience. I shudder each time I witness patients
going through the horror
>> (emphasis by Dr. Konia)."
>>
>> Dr. Thomas Verney has conducted more than twenty years of medical
research on prenatal
>> experience. In his book The Secret Life of the Unborn Child, Dr. Verney
writes that the unborn
>> child is aware and leads an active emotional life from about the sixth
month on. "The fetus can
>> see, hear, experience, taste and, on a primitive level, even learn in
utero. Most im****tantly,
>> he can feel... What a child feels and perceives begins shaping his
attitudes and expectations
>> about himself." Dr. Verney concludes that parents can actively "help
shape the personality of
>> their unborn child. They can actively contribute to his happiness and
well-being, and not just
>> in utero, nor in the years immediately following birth, but for the
rest of his life (emphasis
>> by Dr. Verney).
>>
>> Frederick Leboyer has delivered more than 10,000 babies. In Birth
Without Violence he writes
>> "People say - and believe - that a newborn baby feels nothing. He feels
everything. Everything
>> - utterly, without choice or filter or discrimination." Dr. Leboyer
found that babies born with
>> minimal trauma developed into happier and emotionally healthier
children. Other studies have
>> shown that babies who are touched develop more quickly and gain more
weight.
>>
>> The new evidence sup****ts the conclusion that the infant's experience
in the womb, birth
>> itself, cir***cision, and contact after birth have a significant impact
on future well-being
>> and functioning.
>>
>> <<Does everyone get that point? Is it no wonder so many Jewish males
are neurotic?>>
>>
>> Jewish cir***cision has nothing to do with health factors. However,
some people believe it has
>> health benefits. In the past routine hospital cir***cision has been
promoted as a preventive
>> cure for masturbation, mental illness, venereal disease, cancer, and
uncleanliness. Recent
>> studies have disproved all of these claims. Edward Wallerstein's book
Cir***cision: An American
>> Health Fallacy addresses this issue in convincing detail. The incidence
of health problems
>> related to the foreskin is so low that removing it as a preventive cure
would be tantamount to
>> performing routine appendectomies to prevent appendicitis. The American
Academy of Pediatrics
>> and the American College of Obstetrics have concluded "there are no
valid medical indications
>> for cir***cisions in the neonatal period."
>>
>> Some Jews believe, without any specific knowledge, that cir***cision
methods of mohelim are
>> superior to those of doctors and cause less pain to the infant.
Actually, traditional mohel
>> methods such as using sharp fingernails for cutting and sucking blood
from the cut by mouth
>> have been abandoned in favor of modern clamp devices.
>>
>> Most mohelim get their training in hospitals and many are also doctors.
Orthodox mohelim do not
>> use the clamp devices because they believe bleeding is a religious
requirement. Consequently,
>> infants cir***cised without clamp devices have more risk of
hemorrhaging. In any case, there is
>> no reason to believe that cir***cisions by mohelim are less painful to
the infant.
>>
>> Whether an infant is cir***cised in the hospital by medical staff or in
the home by a mohel,
>> there are medical risks as with any surgery. Though the incidence is
very small, there is
>> potential for hemorrhage, infection, and surgical injury. On rare
occasions death has resulted.
>> For this reason Jewish law allows for exemptions when other children in
the family have died
>> from the effects of cir***cision.
>>
>> There is considerable misunderstanding of the anatomy of the foreskin.
Little information has
>> been available about foreskin for laymen or medical professionals. The
assumption that it had
>> no useful purpose and could be cut off as inconsequentially as hair is
false. Foreskin contains
>> erogenous tissue with a high concentration of sensitive nerves, and it
serves an im****tant
>> purpose in intercourse. During erection the foreskin ****fts to cover
the upper shaft of the
>> *****, a location which would contact the vaginal wall during
intercourse. Foreskin also has
>> the purpose of protecting the ***** against irritation and is not
normally retractable until
>> two or three years after birth.
>>
>> Without this protection, the ***** loses some of its sensitivity. A
rare adult who had a
>> cir***cision (while under general anesthesia) re****ted later that the
head of his ***** "lost
>> its sensitivity and as it did I realized I had lost something rather
vital. Stimuli that had
>> previously aroused ecstasy had relatively little effect...Cir***cision
destroys a very joyful
>> aspect of the human experience for both males and females."
>>
>> Some who have witnessed cir***cisions re****t little or no crying
response from the infant.
>> There are three explanations for this. Nobody wants to hurt infants.
Anyone involved in
>> cir***cision does not want to believe that it is painful to the infant.
Otherwise, he would
>> have to question his sup****t for the practice. Cir***cision has been
such a fixture in American
>> Jewish culture that questioning it can be very difficult. For many
people it is easier to
>> resolve this potential conflict by denying the reality of infant pain.
>>
>> Rosemary Romberg, author of Cir***cision - The Painful Dilemma regrets
having her three sons
>> cir***cised. The third son, unlike the other two, was born at home into
a gentle, loving
>> environment in a Leboyer-type birth. She re****ts a "profound and
dramatic difference in the
>> nature of the baby born in this manner, compared to the baby born by
conventional
>> techniques...The baby born to conventional birthing procedures is in a
state of trauma anyway -
>> whether he is cir***cised or not!! This explains why some babies do not
cry or appear to react
>> when their foreskins are clamped and sliced off. The baby is already in
a state of withdrawal,
>> simply from other common traumatic procedures associated with
conventional birth...Another
>> explanation for the absence of crying during cir***cision is that for
some babies the shock of
>> the assault is so intense that they cannot cry!" (All emphases are by
Romberg.) Rather than
>> endure the experience of overwhelming trauma and pain, the infant may
escape into withdrawal or
>> a semicoma state. As adults we also have escape mechanisms for
traumatic overload, such as
>> fainting. Therefore, vocal response alone is not always a reliable pain
indicator.
>>
>> Jews have always been sup****tive of human rights. Human rights must
certainly include a right
>> to one's own body. Some Jews are now asking if anyone has the right to
represent infants in
>> such a critical irreversible decision as removing a normal, functioning
part of their anatomy
>> for religious reasons.
>>
>> Many Jews associate cir***cision with their Jewish identity. However,
being cir***cised does
>> not make one Jewish. More than one million infants are cir***cised in
this country every year
>> and the overwhelming majority are not Jewish. Of course, ...
>>
>> read more »
>
>Mr. Stevens:
>Since when do you give a **** about Christianity?
You certainly don't seeing how you are on public record as taking the side
of those who deny
Jesus as the Messiah and revile his present day disciples. I give very
good examples at the
bottom.
>Seeing as you are the reining antichrist here, it seems out of character.
Why do you continually troll and hurl abuse but never actually address the
topic which has
been posted.
You certainly like calling your opponents antichrists which is so ironic
seeing how you
continually side with those who truly are anti-Christ.
I caught you recently in a whopper and you never had the guts to reply.
Remember you implying
you were once a Boy Scout who had a Jewish Scout Master? Boy Scouts are
lead in prayer by the
Scout Leader and I doubt a Jewish Scout Master would lead the troop in
prayer and close with
"In the name of Jesus we pray Amen." Here is the reminder;
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/7d62b7f66638db9c
Subject: Re: Did Anyone Come Forward to Name A Denier Who Is Not
Anti-Semitic?
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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:10:20 -0500
I proved there was one Boy Scouts of America but BSA had two organizations
within it and they
were the traditional Boy Scouts (which is participated in by gentiles of
all races and colors)
and the National Jewish Committee on Scouting.
While the Boy Scouts of America (the Gentile version) was fighting
numerous court battles to
bar homo***uals from participating such as having "Gay" Scout Masters the
Jewish counterpart
was stabbing the Gentile BSA in the back by protesting to allow "Gays"
their right to
participate.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A03E5DB103AF933A25752C0A9679C8B63
Monday, May 5, 2008
By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: January 10, 2001
Reform Jewish leaders are recommending that parents withdraw their
children from member****p in
the Boy Scouts of America and that synagogues end their sponsor****p of
Scout troops, the
strongest reaction yet by a religious group to the Supreme Court decision
allowing the Boy
Scouts to exclude gay members.
The dispute over gay Boy Scouts is a clear culture clash between a
traditional organization
that views homo***uality as a threat to ''family values'' and a minority
religious group that
sees discrimination against gays as a violation of civil rights.
In a memorandum to congregations dated Jan. 5, the Joint Commission on
Social Action of the
Reform movement asked congregations to sever ties to the Boy Scouts, or at
least publicly
protest the Scouts' policy by withdrawing financial sup****t or asking
local Scout groups to
rewrite their charters. The memorandum advises congregations to act but
does not require them
to do so.
The Scouts' persistence in banning gay members and leaders, the memorandum
says, is
''incompatible with our consistent belief that every individual --
regardless of his or her
***ual orientation -- is created in the image of God and is deserving of
equal treatment.''
....The Supreme Court ruled on June 28 that the First Amendment's
protection of freedom of
association meant that the Boy Scouts could not be compelled to accept
members who are
incompatible with their mission.
Religious groups had lined up on either side in the court's decision --
many sup****ting the Boy
Scouts, and many sup****ting James Dale, the assistant scoutmaster who was
dismissed by his New
Jersey troop when it learned he was gay.
''The Boy Scouts of America has a long-held value for traditional American
family values,''
said Gregg ****elds, a spokesman for the Scouts, ''and we believe that an
avowed homo***ual just
isn't a role model for those values. And that's the basis for our
policy.''
The Reform movement, which represents about 1,000 congregations and 40
percent of the nation's
6 million Jews, ordains openly gay men and women as rabbis. Reform rabbis
have officiated at
commitment ceremonies for gay men and lesbians.
To protest the Boy Scouts' stand, several Reform rabbis have already
returned their Eagle Scout
badges. Among them is Rabbi Paul Menitoff, executive vice president of the
Central Conference
of American Rabbis.
''Being a Boy Scout really had an influence on my life, and it was a
painful decision to have
to write that letter,'' Rabbi Menitoff said. ''I felt it was untenable to
sup****t or be part of
an organization that discriminated against a group of people.''
Several other rabbis who were Eagle Scouts have asked their local United
Way boards to
eliminate financing for the Boy Scouts, Rabbi Menitoff said. A few Reform
synagogues have
evicted the Scout troops they once sponsored and housed, said Rabbi Daniel
F. Polish, director
of the Joint Commission on Social Action.
''We as a movement have been very assertive in embracing the full civil
rights of gay men and
women,'' Rabbi Polish said. ''From a religious perspective, we stand for
the notion that all
people are equally children of God. So if you have a religious movement
sponsoring a group with
a diametrically opposed set of values, it sets up a terrible conflict...
<STOP>
Here is B'nai Brith's Anti-Defamation League stabbing the Boy Scouts of
America (The Gentile
Christian version) in the back.
http://www.adl.org/civil_rights/ab/Discrimination.asp
Boy Scouts of America v. Dale (530 US 640 (2000)): In a 5-4 decision, the
Court upheld the Boy
Scouts of America's member****p policy that discriminated against gay
members. ADL, together
with a coalition of other organizations, argued that the exclusionary
anti-gay member****p
policy that the Boy Scouts defended fell outside the scope of any
associational or expressive
freedom protected by the First Amendment. PDF 235 kb
ADL Dismayed at Supreme Court Decision Allowing Boy Scouts to Discriminate
Against Gays
http://www.adl.org/PresRele/supremecourt_33/3639_33.asp
<STOP>
As for you wickedly calling me the antichrists it is not I but you who is
one and you consort
with and ally yourself consistently with those who deny Jesus is the
Messiah who came in the
flesh.
Example of one of millions of antichrists dwelling in America;
From: Sara Salzman <catamont@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 21:55:49 -0500
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/fff52eca83b894a3
> May I ask if you acknowledge Jesus is the Christ or Messiah who
> came in the flesh?
I've answered it three times already. And since I happen to be Jewish,
why would you think I would believe any such thing?
Sara
The Biblical definition of an antichrist;
"Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as you have heard that
antichrist is coming,
even now there have come to be many antichrists. Who is the liar if it is
not the one that
denies that Jesus is the Christ? These things I write you about those who
are trying to mislead
you! For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not
confessing Jesus Christ as
coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. If anyone
comes to you and does
not bring this teaching, never receive him into your homes or say a
greeting to him. For he
that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works."
1 John 2:18,22,23 ; 2 John 7,10,11
Key scriptural passage "For many deceivers have gone forth into the world,
persons not
confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and
the antichrist" which
fits Jewess Salzman's reply of "And since I happen to be Jewish, why would
you think I would
believe any such thing?" when asked "May I ask if you acknowledge Jesus is
the Christ or
Messiah who came in the flesh?"
Remember folks these Jews are antichrists, Christ Haters and true enemies
of Christianity.
To quote antichrist Jewess Salzman again;
"[T]he fact that a Communist is anti-Christian makes perfect sense, since
Marx called religion the "opiate of the people."" - Sara Salzman
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"I have never made an "imflammatory" [sic] attack on Communism. I have
never
made ANY attack on Communism." - Sara Salzman
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More anti-Christic anti-Christian spew from the serpents you continually
side with;
http://www.mnemotrix.com/chabad/
EVERYONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE CHRITIAN OR EVEN THINKS THEY ARE CHRISTIAN
SHOULD READ AND RE-READ
THE FOLLOWING UNTIL THEY APPRECIATE THE SERIOUSNESS OF WHAT TAKES PLACE IN
JEWISH SYNAGOGUES
BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
"CB"N - ViewPoint: February 1998 ...Although the Jews are prohibited from
speaking out against
idolatry in lands outside the land of Israel, we must keep in mind that
this is our land, that
these are our people. The Bible is full of stories about what happens to
Gentile lands that do
not enforce the prohibition of idolatry.
Why don't we direct our energies on doing something about the idolatry
within our own land?
Christianity clearly violates the two primary Laws of the Torah, that of
idolatry and
blasphemy.
We need to take action. We need to go on the offensive. We need to
strive to establish
courts that uphold all of the Laws of Noah, not just a few of them. And
maybe then, when the
Church is too busy trying to save its own idolatrous skin to worry about
converting the Jews,
will they have the time to do other things, such as teach us the Sheva
Mitzvot."
http://tinyurl.com/43nfx3
"CB"N - Mo****ach ..Even within ka'al B'nei Noach we find individuals who
still struggle to keep
their belief in Jesus intact. Instead of believing in the Gentiles' Jesus,
they now believe in
a Jewish Jesus - and they now call him Yeshua HaMo****ach (Yeshua the
Messiah). They strip away
the Christian's anglo-saxon garments of Jesus and redress him in a more
ethnic Jewish costume.
Now Yeshua is introduced as an Orthodox rabbi, complete with tzitzits,
tallit, and tefillin.
And by doing this to Jesus, they believe they have rectified the Church's
whitewa****ng of a
Jewish Yeshua into a figure called Jesus, and that they have restored the
truth to the
world..." http://tinyurl.com/5we3py
http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/webinator/search3/+hwwBm3e7xrwwebxXDqFqGgrGo5BowDarnwBrnDtFqnpwGwrFqmMwLozmxwwwMFqomxqrwxwm/context.html#hit1
"CB"N - The Covenant of Everlasting Life - The idea of everlasting life is
rather appealing to
most folks... And now a personal observation, if you please: If (indeed,
IF: hypothetical
speculation with such an example is, at best, an exercise of futility -
the socio-historical
situation speaks for itself in the archives of Jewish history) the
righteous Jews of the Second
Temple period had taught the Seven Laws of Noah to the non-Jews, there
would never have risen a
religion such as Christianity. With the knowledge that (through the
observance of the Sheva
Mitzvot B nei Noach) everlasting life could be attained as promised by
Hashem to Noach, the
resulting fabrication that everlasting life could come only through belief
and wor****p of a
human being would never have happened. Instead, as we have noted, the
teaching concerning the
Covenant of the Rainbow - The Covenant of Everlasting Life, had been
forced into hiding by the
vicious persecution of the Jews, and the new covenant of Christianity was
but a pagan attempt
to replace the eternal Covenant made by Hashem to Noach..."
http://tinyurl.com/67nlov
http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/webinator/search3/+BwwBm3e3xt5ZyeODHwFqGgrGo5BowDarnwBrnDtFqnpwGwrFqmMwLozmxwwwMFqomxqrwxwm/context.html#hit1
"Sincerity - I am Abraham s Servant - [A] Jew is a son of G-d whereas a
non-Jew is intended to
be a servant of G-d. Although a Jew in essence is always a son, when he
does not merit (to
manifest the essence of his Divine soul) he is also referred to as a...
(4K) Excerpt: " With
the advent of Ma****ach, all non-Jews will willfully serve (the Divine
purpose of) the Jewish
people. Here lies the essence of the clarification in the mind of the
non-Jew with regard to
the identity of the true Ma****ach. As mentioned above, at present a very
large percentage of
the non-Jewish world wor****ps an individual Jew as god. The non-Jewish
world must come to
recognize that all Jews are indeed sons of G-d. The non-Jew must strive to
serve and help
G-d s children fulfill their purpose to bring redemption to the world.
Then will
the true Ma****ach reveal himself." http://tinyurl.com/bzemy
http://www.mnemotrix.com/texis/webinator/search3/+YwwBmeoxN1elkmdqekzbtqg5d1camoVoDnaDdDe2DqxiaTw5rowqrtFqnpwGwrFqmMwLozmxwwwMFqomxqrwxwm/context.html#hit1
Does everyone get the gist of the phrase "all non-Jews will willfully
serve (the Divine
purpose of) the Jewish people" which is what they tried with their
communism.
Perhaps this will make it clearer;
"...Communism, despite its flaws and corruptions, has had a profound
effect on our sense of
social justice. Christianity, despite the horrendous atrocities it
perpetrated and justified,
played a major role in introducing, to a largely pagan world, the concepts
(though much
adulterated) of a one, omnipotent and non- cor****eal G-d and of a
messianic end-goal to
existence."
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/63558/jewish/IV-Wheres-the-Truth.htm
All of the above quoted from what Jewish Rebbes teach their nest of
serpents.
>I'm cir***cized and I'm not Jewish. Less parts to clean-it's a good deal!
That's your business.
>Your obsession with *****'s is noted.
Just because I point out Jewish perversion doesn't mean what you falsely
claimed Chris.
You hate truth and you always attack the messenger, Why is that Chris. You
aren't able to
logically refute what I post.
"For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which none of your adversaries
will be able to withstand or contradict." Son of Man {Luke 21:15 RSV}
>Bet you can't wait for the next Aryan congress?
Another childish personal attack in response to my facts.
I invite all serious minded people to read this post and download the
materials.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/fd300f16161a5cb4
Subject: Babylonian Talmud (Soncino Version) available for free download +
Elizabeth Dilling
commentaries and more Message-ID:
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I highly recommend this link and downloads which are part of the above.
http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/index.html
http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/dcontents.html
http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/jriit.pdf
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