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Mar 18, 6:48 pm, **Rowland Croucher**
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> wrote:
> The following is a transcript of Sen. Barack Obama's speech, as provided
> by Obama's campaign, (in response to controversial comments by his
> ex-pastor).
>
> We the people, in order to form a more perfect union.
>
> Sen. Barack Obama has said the controversy over his ex-pastor's remarks
> has been "a distraction" to the campaign.
>
> Two hundred and twenty one years ago, in a hall that still stands across
> the street, a group of men gathered and, with these simple words,
> launched America's improbable experiment in democracy.
Except it wasn't a democracy that was launched. Ben Franklin told Mrs.
Powel, the wife of the Philadelphia mayor in response to the question
"Well
Dr. Franklin, what have we got, a monarchy or a republic?", "A Republic,
madam, if you can keep it."
Here is yet another joker who is pu****ng for totalitarianism rather than
honoring the Republic.
> Farmers and scholars; statesmen and patriots...
I guess a person wouldn't exactly be a partiot in definition if they give
up
and abandon their home country. But hey, it makes for good rhetoric if
the
listener isn't required to think.
> ...who had traveled across an
> ocean to escape tyranny and persecution
Jamestown was a penal colony; others escaped from famine, constant feudal
wars and continuous poverty. Those who escaped "tyranny and persecution"
were the Puritans - the persecution was the government religion, the exact
same sort of think that B. Hussein Obama is trying to create in this
country.
> finally made real their
> declaration of independence at a Philadelphia convention that lasted
> through the spring of 1787.
The Declaration of Independence was a call to break from the tyranny and
punitive taxes of King George. B. Hussein Obama wants to transform
America
into a country that is nothing but tyranny and punitive taxes.
[talk about utter hypocrisy of the speaker]
> The do***ent they produced was eventually signed but ultimately
> unfinished...
For those who still care about history, the Declaration of Independence
was
written eleven years earlier, while the Constitution of the United States
was ratified by the required nine states in June 21, 1788, and the Bill of
Rights were added in 1791. Since that day, deconstructionalists have
attached all kinds of foolishness to the do***ent giving us the mess we
are
in today.
> It was stained by this nation's original sin of slavery,...
This I find is the most offensive statement that can be made. Instead of
distancing himself from his mentor's "distracting remarks", he has shown
his
utter contempt for the United States which he wants to lead, and he
blasphemes God.
First of all, slavery is not a sin. I challenge anyone to locate in the
Bible where the owner****p of slaves was declared a sin. The Bible even
puts
parameters on slavery, such as requiring capital punishment for acquiring
slaves through kidnapping - as the Muslims do today. In fact, the Bible
provides four legal ways to get slaves:
(1) Purchased (Lev 25:44-46)
(2) Captured in war (Numbers 31:32-35)
(3) Enslaved as punishment for theft (Ex 22:1-3)
(4) Enslaved as means to pay off debts (Le 25:39; Ex 21:7)
Notice that it isn't simply a function of "well, they are going to do it
anyway", because people are going to commit adultery anyway too, and you
don't see the Bible condemning adultery and then writing guidelines on how
to commit adultery in a God honoring manner.
Now I know that the post modern "church" has disavowed the doctrine of
"Original Sin" and has institutionalized the Pelagian heresy, so it is
kind
of odd to see the phrase "Original Sin" crop up in any context. But for
those who are wondering what is "Original Sin", it is simply the doctrine
that All have been found guilty of Sin because all have inherited Adam's
sin
in the garden.
What B. Hussein Obama is saying is that what a few thousand southern
plantation owners did over a hundred fifty years ago is something that all
generations of Americans nowadays are presumed guilty of doing themselves.
(Remember that slavery is not a sin, I'm not exactly sure what anyone is
supposed to be feeling guilty about).
So while the religion that defined Original Sin no longer accepts it,
communists like B. Hussein Obama have adopted it and have applied it to
everyone except those who have black skin. By the use of this statement,
it seems pretty clear to me that Obama is exempting blacks from the
American
"Sin", thus bringing into question any black's authenticity of being an
American. That is, if the arbitrary demographic group claims that they
don't inherit the "sin" of slavery that all Americans must inherit, then
they can't claim to inherit the benefits of being an American - and those
who feel that the Original Sin of Slavery is an American one should sit
out
in November and let genuine Americans vote.
And here is where it gets downright blasphemous. Wound tight and
inseperable from the Doctrine of Original Sin, is the Gospel message. For
those who have been found guilty and deserve eternal condemnation, there
is
also a savior that can, once and for all, wipe away that sin. If B.
Hussein Obama is going to tell the one half of the Gospel message - that
we
all are condemned under Original Sin, then what is his role in the other
half, and what is he proposing as a means of redemption?
> ...question that divided the colonies and brought the convention to a
> stalemate until the founders chose to allow the slave trade to continue
> for at least 20 more years, and to leave any final resolution to future
> generations.
And that future generation comprised mostly of the people B. Hussein Obama
is accusing of "Original Sin", tens of millions who never owned slaves,
many
of whom suffered and died, shedding their own blood - and for what? An
ingrate like Obama, who never knew slavery, never spoke to anyone who was
in
slavery, doesn't know anyone who knows anyone or who has spoke to anyone
who
was ever in slavery in the US - that ingrate can condemn hundreds of
millions of people who had absolutely nothing to do with slavery and call
them all "sinners".
> Of course, the answer to the slavery question was already embedded
> within our Constitution -- a Constitution that had at its very core the
> ideal of equal citizen****p under the law; a Constitution that promised
> its people liberty, and justice, and a union that could be and should be
> perfected over time.
Yeah its found in Article 1, § 2, Paragraph 3 of the United States
Constitution:
"...which sall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free
Persons,
including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and exluding Indians
not taxed, three fiflths of all other Persons."
> This was one of the tasks we set forth at the beginning of this campaign
> -- to continue the long march of those who came before us, a march for a
> more just, more equal, more free, more caring and more prosperous
America.
Somehow I truly don't believe a word of what he has to say on that matter.
"More Free" = more laws, regulations and taxes.
"More Equal" = making Producers pay more and suffer greater burdens.
"More Just" = Instituting more discriminatory programs that arbitrarily
favor one demographic over another.
All of these being administered at then end of the barrel of a
pollice-state
gun.
> I chose to run for the presidency at this moment in history because I
> believe deeply that we cannot solve the challenges of our time unless we
> solve them together -- unless we perfect our union by understanding that
> we may have different stories, but we hold common hopes; that we may not
> look the same and we may not have come from the same place, but we all
> want to move in the same direction -- towards a better future for our
> children and our grandchildren.
"better future" = saddled with impossible debt, crippling laws and
regulations, made globaly uncompetitive because of a failed education
system, burdened with a leviathon government, balkanized by unchecked
immigration, terrorized by an emboldened enemy, sodomized by growing
numbers of perverts, demoralized by the constant negativism and hatred
spewed from liberal Ameri-cants, thrown into a stone age economy since
energy will be outlawed, Producers and inventors flee to accomodating
nations; a generation without a common heritage or culture, no longer
knowing God.
Bright future there, Hussein.
> This belief comes from my unyielding faith in the decency and generosity
> of the American people.
Except if you look at the personal generosity or decency of members of
your
own political party leader****p, you couldn't honestly say those words.
Your belief requires the generosity and decency of a people you just
previously universally slandered and condemned as slave holders. Somehow
this doesn't sound like a Dale Carnegie technique to win people over.
> But it also comes from my own American story.
Its always good to focus attention on yourself.... No ego here.
> I am the son of a black man from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas. I
> was raised with the help of a white grandfather who survived a
> Depression to serve in Patton's Army during World War II and a white
> grandmother who worked on a bomber assembly line at Fort Leavenworth
> while he was overseas.
A grandmother who you called publicaly a racist. Class act.
> This is not to say that race has not been an issue in the campaign. At
> various stages in the campaign, some commentators have deemed me either
> "too black" or "not black enough."
These commentators would be "your people". The cat-calls and heckling
that
a non-black would receive by even acknowledging your skin pigment would
prevent anyone else from speaking.
> And yet, it has only been in the last couple of weeks that the
> discussion of race in this campaign has taken a particularly divisive
> turn.
Yeah, the media finally got to meet your spiritual guide and mentor for
two
decades and saw the face of profound hate and bigotry. I'm guessing that
simply revealing those most influential in your life is "a discussion of
race", even though it is B. Hussein Obama who keeps dragging out the race
card at every op****tunity (like now).
> Did I know him to be an occasionally fierce critic of American domestic
> and foreign policy? Of course. Did I ever hear him make remarks that
> could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes. Did I
> strongly disagree with many of his political views? Absolutely -- just
> as I'm sure many of you have heard remarks from your pastors, priests or
> rabbis with which you strongly disagreed.
Whether these statement you make now are true or not is immaterial, what
would be more instructive is an honest answer to the question "What
political views of Jeremiah Wright do you agree with, and which political
views of his do you "strongly disagree" with?" Once again, we are left
to
guess as to what political views you are condemning - I'm thinking, that
is
the point.
> Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals,
> there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are
> not enough. Why associate myself with Rev. Wright in the first place,
> they may ask? Why not join another church?
>
> And I confess that if all that I knew of Rev. Wright were the snippets
> of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and
> YouTube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the
> caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I
> would react in much the same way
I think that America heard all of the thunderous cheering and applause
from
the congregation when Wright made those statements. Which means to me
that for your statements to be true, you would have been the very distinct
minority who bowed their head in shame and disagreement when these words
were spoken. Lets say that you disagreed with Wright, then you would be
like a Calvinist in a rally honoring the Pope. The credulity in B.
Hussein
Obama's statements is certainly highly questionable.
> But the truth is, that isn't all that I know of the man. The man I met
> more than 20 years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian
> faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another;
> to care for the sick and lift up the poor.
Except it is pretty clear that Jeremiah Wright is not a Christian, so we
have no idea what you were taught - albeit whatever it was, would not be
considered orthodox Christianity. It sounds more like an amped up Ronald
Sider than St Paul.
> He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine...
Well, there you go. All must be forgiven or else we hate the military,
right?
> who has studied and
> lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the
> country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the
> community by doing God's work here on Earth -- by housing the homeless,
> ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholar****ps
> and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from
HIV/AIDS.
And so do paid pagans working within government programs. So what?
> Like other black churches, Trinity's services are full of raucous
> laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping,
> screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear.
Or one who takes wor****p seriously as opposed to a Vaudeville Act which is
what is described here.
Do you have someone who entertains the crowd by farting a hymn on stage
during the offering collection?
> And this helps explain, perhaps, my relation****p with Rev. Wright. As
> imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened
> my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children.
You forgot to add: "... but in absolutely no way did he shape any of my
political views."
> Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any
> ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he
> interacted with anything but courtesy and respect.
"...but while he was behind the pulpit, it was one cheap shot, racial
slur,
blashpemy, and derogatory comment after another"
> I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community.
"...but I can easily and shamelessly throw my white grandmother under the
bus..."
> I can no
> more disown him than I can my white grandmother -- a woman who helped
> raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who
> loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who
> once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street,
> and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic
> stereotypes that made me cringe.
The money statement! LOL!
> These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this
> country that I love.
"...the very same one my wife has admittedly hated for over forty
years..."
Looking forward to a Jeckle and Hyde presidency. Who said that we
weren't
in the Last Days?
> But we do need to remind ourselves that so many of the disparities that
> exist in the African-American community today can be directly traced to
> inequalities passed on from an earlier generation that suffered under
> the brutal legacy of slavery and Jim Crow.
>
> Segregated schools were, and are, inferior schools;
which fully explains why Blacks insist on having segregated universities
and
colleges where only Blacks are welcome.
> we still haven't
> fixed them, fifty years after Brown v. Board of Education, and the
> inferior education they provided, then and now, helps explain the
> pervasive achievement gap between today's black and white students.
No. I would think that the problem is cultural. It has never been proven
that taking a disruptive crack baby from a majority black classroom and
sitting him next to any given white person will bring his grades up -
unless
the teacher allows serious cheating during examinations.
But if you take that same black kid, keep him or her in a school that can
be
any level of integration in a culture of achievement, and you will most
likely see the better results. It has been the very party that B Hussein
Obama wants to lead that has stymied any efforts in producing a real
education. This sermon of Obama's needs to be preached before the
various
teachers unions, preferably while standing behind bullet proof glass.
> Legalized discrimination -- where blacks were prevented, often through
> violence, from owning property, or loans were not granted to
> African-American business owners, or black homeowners could not access
> FHA mortgages...
Yet coincidentally when credit was extended to those of a culture of bad
credit, we now see the dollar's value plummet, mortgage paper folding as
these same blacks (and deadbeats of every walk of life) running away from
their debts, and blaming whitey in general and Jews in particular for all
of
their self imposed problems.
> or blacks were excluded from unions,
which explains why the unions are made up of large numbers of blacks. No
one is "excluding blacks" from unions on the basis of skin color - they
would if the black in question was in management, but still "blacks" are
not
singled out for exclusion from unions. Even so, member****p in unions
hasn't improved things for anyone.
If I was a Klan member trying to stir up as much hatred as B. Hussein
Obama
is trying to do in picking this old scab, I could point out that as
black's
had an increased representation in all of these things I can see failure
and
disaster at its heels.
For instance, statistically speaking, as more blacks obtained more
mortgages, the financial industry was closer to collapse until we find
that
1/3rd of Cleveland is either in foreclosure or is in danger of being
foreclosed.
> or the police force... Corruption and lack of moral has never been
> worse. That's statistics speaking, yet having blacks is not
necessarily
> the cause, though the video footage of NOLA police officers wandering
the
> Walmart looting while in uniform are sort of funny.
> or fire departments -- meant that black families could not amass any
> meaningful wealth to bequeath to future generations.
Like Oprah isn't allowed to amass any meaningful wealth.
When Wesley Snipes tried to amass a meaningful wealth, it was the IRS that
threatened to toss him in jail - not whitey.
The problem isn't whitey. Its the predominate culture that says that a
person can't do something because he has too much melanin. Afterall, who
is it that says that B. Hussein Obama is either "too black" or "not black
enough"? Its the culture that listens and encourages Jeremiah Wright.
> That history helps explain the wealth and income gap between black and
> white, and the concentrated pockets of poverty that persists in so many
> of today's urban and rural communities.
No, it helps when single black women don't have children out of wedlock at
the ripe old age of fifteen. It helps when black men don't look for easy
money in crime and spend their best years behind bars. It helps when you
are a Michael Vick and you don't run crime rings out of your garage. Its
a
simple formula to statistically beat poverty. Get an education. Get a
job.
Get married.
Works both ways for every arbitrarily assigned demographic group.
> This is the reality in which Rev. Wright and other African-Americans of
> his generation grew up.
And desire to perpetuate...
> For the men and women of Rev. Wright's generation, the memories of
> humiliation and doubt and fear have not gone away; nor has the anger and
> the bitterness of those years.
So he makes it his duty to pass on these memories and humiliations as
living
memories and humiliations to be enjoyed by every generation to come.
Can't possibly deliver a true message of Hope - only one where the
congregation wears the victim robe and gleefully sings about God damning
the
greatest nation on earth.
> That anger may not get expressed in public, in front of white co-workers
> or white friends. But it does find voice in the barbershop or around the
> kitchen table. At times, that anger is exploited by politicians, to gin
> up votes along racial lines, or to make up for a politician's own
> failings.
And if any other group of people did this, the goverment would send in
agents to infiltrate and call the group a dangerous "Militia".
> And occasionally it finds voice in the church on Sunday morning, in the
> pulpit and in the pews. The fact that so many people are surprised to
> hear that anger in some of Rev. Wright's sermons simply reminds us of
> the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on
> Sunday morning.
Well I know I sure is heck wouldn't want to be immersed in all of that
negativism and hate. The segregation is on voluntary lines of common
beliefs and culture, not by some forced assembly that EEOC laws burden
employers with. Try being a landlord and controlling who lives on your
property and who you choose to risk doing business with, and if the
government doesn't approve of your guidelines, will make your life a
living
Hell.
Thank God, that the government hasn't regulated the demographic makeup of
the local church. (with exception to the paid office staff, which the
government feels they have absolute sovereignty over)
> But the anger is real; it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to
> condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the
> chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races.
So if the anger is real, there is no responsibilty to control it. What
other emotions and urges, if considered "real" can be endulged in and
apologized for? If lust is "real" can the one with desire go along and
rape and have the community understand?
The problem is that the leaders can't even demonstrate adult behavior, so
how is it a big surprise if those in the audience feel no need to act
responsibly and now politicians apologize for it and say its OK?
<drivel snipped>
> ...who did not damn America, but called her to be true to herself.
Oh, so that is the spin. Who are you going to believe, B Hussein Obama
or
your lying ears?
> Shalom/Salaam/Pax! Rowland Croucher
>
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A great speech, but I really doubt
white Americans are ready for the truth.
Jim
Joh 15:25 - But this cometh to pass, that the word might be
fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a
cause.
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