Good morning Arah;
"ARAH" <arah1958@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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'...The basic message of the Bible is that it is
God's plan of redemption for Mankind...'
John, I want to ask you a very simple question, are you willing to
kill your own son to save others? Almighty God the Creator must be
very powerful and there are many other method and ways he can do as
redemption for Mankind.
Don't you agree with me?
I'm sure any number of methods could have been chosen. For whatever
reason, God chose an unblemished lamb as the sacrifice to atone for one's
sins in the Old Testament. We're told in Genesis that Abel was the first
to
do so.
To avoid the plagues which befell the Egyptian citizens, the Jews were
told to put lamb's blood on their door lintel. That act became the
Passover
and is still celebrated.
Why do you think that Jesus is called the Lamb of God slain for the
sins
of the world?
Cheers,
John
On May 8, 9:25 pm, "John Fraser" <jfra...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Good afternoon Arah;
>
> "arah" <arah1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>
>
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> John Fraser wrote,
>
> "....Setting aside the commands of God is exactly what Muhammad did."
>
> I hope you can explain which commands of Almighty God which Muhammad
> set aside or Muhammad did not follow.Show me your evidences.
>
> ----------------------
> Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove
upon
> him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son;
in
> thee I am well pleased.
>
> Luke 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my
> beloved Son: hear him.
> ----------------------
>
> Yes, I read and understand the bible and I found many similarity
> between the teaching of Muhammad, Moses and Jesus but
> Paul contradict with all of them.
>
> ----------------------
> I find strange you would say that Muhammad had many similar teachings as
> your own postings of Qu'ranic scripture clearly contradicts the Bible in
> several areas. Sorry, but I don't see how they match.
> ----------------------
>
> Deuteronomy
>
> Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. [a] 5 Love the
> LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all
> your strength. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be
> upon your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them
> when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie
> down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind
> them on your foreheads. 9 Write them on the doorframes of your houses
> and on your gates.
>
> 10 When the LORD your God brings you into the land he swore to your
> fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to give you—a land with large,
> flouri****ng cities you did not build, 11 houses filled with all kinds
> of good things you did not provide, wells you did not dig, and
> vineyards and olive groves you did not plant—then when you eat and are
> satisfied, 12 be careful that you do not forget the LORD, who brought
> you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
>
> 13 Fear the LORD your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his
> name. 14 Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you;
> 15 for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his
> anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of
> the land. 16 Do not test the LORD your God as you did at Massah. 17 Be
> sure to keep the commands of the LORD your God and the stipulations
> and decrees he has given you. 18 Do what is right and good in the
> LORD's sight, so that it may go well with you and you may go in and
> take over the good land that the LORD promised on oath to your
> forefathers, 19 thrusting out all your enemies before you,
>
> Tell me why Paul teach the following ;
>
> 1You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes
> Jesus Christ was clearly ****trayed as crucified. 2I would like to
> learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing
> the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? After
> beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by
> human effort? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was
> for nothing? 5Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you
> because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?
>
> 6Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as
> righteousness."[a] 7Understand, then, that those who believe are
> children of Abraham. 8The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the
> Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham:
> "All nations will be blessed through you."[b] 9So those who have faith
> are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
>
> 10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is
> written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything
> written in the Book of the Law."[c] 11Clearly no one is justified
> before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."[d]
> 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does
> these things will live by them."[e] 13Christ redeemed us from the
> curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written:
> "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."[f] 14He redeemed us in
> order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles
> through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of
> the Spirit.
>
> John, tell me why Paul cursed Jesus?
>
> ----------------------
> Good question, but he didn't. The basic message of the Bible is that it
> is
> God's plan of redemption for Mankind. The Old Testament gives us an
> outline
> of Man's fall from grace, and what steps were taken to restore it.
Because
> the Israelites/Jews are God's chosen people, much of its history centers
> upon them. God made a covenant with the Israelites through the Law of
> Moses. That meant anyone who was not Jewish (a Gentile) still had to
abide
> by Mosaic Law should they wish the same. Some may think that following
> strict rules is the only way to salvation. But, it's the "why" you
follow
> the rules that counts. Everything about God has always been about faith
> and
> a love for everything He stands for. Is it not the same faith you have
> that
> Muhammad is right about Allah?
>
> Jesus opened the door for a new covenant with God's people (people of
> the Book) which was extended equally to the Gentiles. The old covenant
of
> Mosaic Law ceased to exist. One could choose to remain under that
> covenant,
> but the rules they chose to abide by would be the same rules they would
be
> condemned with. Jesus became our redeemer by taking on that condemnation
> for us. Initially, the church at Galatia was influenced by the Holy
Spirit
> and believers lived by faith. However, some insisted that the Mosaic Law
> still had to be obeyed and their faith slowly became more about works.
> Thus, their redemption was about following rules, not about God's grace
> because of their faith.
>
> Does not Islam teach that one's entry into Paradise is determined by a
> balance? The good and bad deeds of a Muslim are weighed against each
> other.
> If the good deeds are heavier, the Muslim enters Paradise. If the bad
> deeds
> are heavier, the Muslim does not. This was the same reasoning the church
> at
> Galatia had adopted. Paul warned the church that the righteous are
> redeemed
> by their faith through Jesus Christ, not by their works. The Father will
> become known through us because of our love to do his will guided by the
> Holy Spirit, not a Draconian obedience to observing rules. Sadly,
Muhammed
> rejected the offer of redemption and created his own system. As such, he
> will be condemned by the same rules he imposed upon others.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
> On May 8, 6:57 pm, "John Fraser" <jfra...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Good morning Arah;
>
> > "arah" <arah1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>
>
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> > > Alt wrote:
>
> > > I agree. Jesus never once used the word "trinity", but I still
> > > maintain
> > > that He preached it.
>
> > > Alt have you forgotten what Jesus warned everyone!!!!
>
> > > Mark 7:6-13 (New International Version)
>
> > > 6He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you
> > > hypocrites; as it is written:
> > > " 'These people honor me with their lips,
> > > but their hearts are far from me.
> > > 7They wor****p me in vain;
> > > their teachings are but rules taught by men.'[a] 8You have let
> > > go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of
> > > men."
>
> > > 9And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the
> > > commands of God in order to observe[b] your own traditions! 10For
> > > Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,'[c] and, 'Anyone who
> > > curses his father or mother must be put to death.'[d] 11But you say
> > > that if a man says to his father or mother: 'Whatever help you might
> > > otherwise have received from me is Corban' (that is, a gift devoted
to
> > > God), 12then you no longer let him do anything for his father or
> > > mother. 13Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that
you
> > > have handed down. And you do many things like that."
>
> > > Good luck
>
> > Setting aside the commands of God is exactly what Muhammad did. Yet,
> > you say that it's OK for him. Worse, you use Scripture which you claim
> > is
> > false as an authority to accuse others. Jesus would call such a person
a
> > hypocrite.
>
> > Cheers,
> > John
>
> > > On May 8, 12:56 am, alt <spamt...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > >> On Wed, 07 May 2008 05:12:53 -0700, Raymond wrote:
> > >> > On May 7, 6:51 am, ARAH <arah1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > >> >> Alt wrote:
>
> > >> >> Again, we do not believe in three gods. We believe in one holy
God
> > >> >> that
> > >> >> is infinite that created us as finite beings, but loves us so
much
> > >> >> He
> > >> >> came down in the person of the Son to experience our lives as we
> > >> >> do
> > >> >> and
> > >> >> to provide a new convenant between Him and us.
>
> > >> >> Prove to me that Jesus ever mentioned the above statement. Why
get
> > >> >> confuse with the teaching of John and Paul?
>
> > >> > That is not an argument prove to me Jesus ever mentioned Mohammad
> > >> > or
> > >> > the
> > >> > name of God would be Allah, why confuse yourself with the Koran?
> > >> > Paul
> > >> > and John were minsters that were appointed by God and the Word of
> > >> > God
> > >> > came by them, prove Mohammad was ever even known by God or God
ever
> > >> > pointed to your false religion or false prophets? Your always
> > >> > wanting
> > >> > proof but give nothing to prove you have anything to disprove the
> > >> > Bible
> > >> > and when your shown wrong and in falsehoods, you dare want to
> > >> > dismiss
> > >> > the appointed ministers of God and the Holy Bible.
>
> > >> >> > Now, the first and foremost point is that Jesus never preached
> > >> >> > the
> > >> >> > so- called holy Trinity.
>
> > >> >> Sure He did.
>
> > >> > So called does not mean Jesus had to preach such, it is SO CALLED
> > >> > not
> > >> > by
> > >> > Him but by people today
>
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