Matthew 5:9 (New International Version)
9Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
Therefore what Luke said about Jesus is right because Jesus is a
peacemaker
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> Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove
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> him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son;
in=
> thee I am well pleased.
>
> Luke 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my
> beloved Son: hear him.
John Fraser, is your understanding about son of God contradict to
Matthew?
On May 9, 2:25 am, "John Fraser" <jfra...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Good afternoon Arah;
>
> "arah" <arah1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>
>
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> John Fraser wrote,
>
> "....Setting aside the commands of God is exactly what Muhammad did."
>
> I hope you can explain which commands of Almighty God which Muhammad
> set aside or Muhammad did not follow.Show me your evidences.
>
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> Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove
upon=
> him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son;
in=
> thee I am well pleased.
>
> Luke 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my
> beloved Son: hear him.
> ----------------------
>
> Yes, I read and understand the bible and I found many similarity
> between the teaching of Muhammad, Moses and Jesus but
> Paul contradict with all of them.
>
> ----------------------
> I find strange you would say that Muhammad had many similar
teachings =
as
> your own postings of Qu'ranic scripture clearly contradicts the Bible in
> several areas. Sorry, but I don't see how they match.
> ----------------------
>
> Deuteronomy
>
> Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. [a] 5 Love the
> LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all
> your strength. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be
> upon your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them
> when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie
> down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind
> them on your foreheads. 9 Write them on the doorframes of your houses
> and on your gates.
>
> 10 When the LORD your God brings you into the land he swore to your
> fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to give you=97a land with large,
> flouri****ng cities you did not build, 11 houses filled with all kinds
> of good things you did not provide, wells you did not dig, and
> vineyards and olive groves you did not plant=97then when you eat and are
> satisfied, 12 be careful that you do not forget the LORD, who brought
> you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
>
> 13 Fear the LORD your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his
> name. 14 Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you;
> 15 for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his
> anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of
> the land. 16 Do not test the LORD your God as you did at Massah. 17 Be
> sure to keep the commands of the LORD your God and the stipulations
> and decrees he has given you. 18 Do what is right and good in the
> LORD's sight, so that it may go well with you and you may go in and
> take over the good land that the LORD promised on oath to your
> forefathers, 19 thrusting out all your enemies before you,
>
> Tell me why Paul teach the following ;
>
> 1You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes
> Jesus Christ was clearly ****trayed as crucified. 2I would like to
> learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing
> the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? After
> beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by
> human effort? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing=97if it really was
> for nothing? 5Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you
> because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?
>
> 6Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as
> righteousness."[a] 7Understand, then, that those who believe are
> children of Abraham. 8The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the
> Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham:
> "All nations will be blessed through you."[b] 9So those who have faith
> are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
>
> 10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is
> written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything
> written in the Book of the Law."[c] 11Clearly no one is justified
> before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."[d]
> 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does
> these things will live by them."[e] 13Christ redeemed us from the
> curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written:
> "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."[f] 14He redeemed us in
> order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles
> through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of
> the Spirit.
>
> John, tell me why Paul cursed Jesus?
>
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> Good question, but he didn't. The basic message of the Bible is
that =
it
> is
> God's plan of redemption for Mankind. The Old Testament gives us an
outli=
ne
> of Man's fall from grace, and what steps were taken to restore it.
Becaus=
e
> the Israelites/Jews are God's chosen people, much of its history centers
> upon them. God made a covenant with the Israelites through the Law of
> Moses. That meant anyone who was not Jewish (a Gentile) still had to
abid=
e
> by Mosaic Law should they wish the same. Some may think that following
> strict rules is the only way to salvation. But, it's the "why" you
follow=
> the rules that counts. Everything about God has always been about faith
a=
nd
> a love for everything He stands for. Is it not the same faith you have
th=
at
> Muhammad is right about Allah?
>
> Jesus opened the door for a new covenant with God's people (people
of
> the Book) which was extended equally to the Gentiles. The old covenant
of=
> Mosaic Law ceased to exist. One could choose to remain under that
covenan=
t,
> but the rules they chose to abide by would be the same rules they would
be=
> condemned with. Jesus became our redeemer by taking on that
condemnation
> for us. Initially, the church at Galatia was influenced by the Holy
Spiri=
t
> and believers lived by faith. However, some insisted that the Mosaic
Law
> still had to be obeyed and their faith slowly became more about works.
> Thus, their redemption was about following rules, not about God's grace
> because of their faith.
>
> Does not Islam teach that one's entry into Paradise is determined by
a=
> balance? The good and bad deeds of a Muslim are weighed against each
othe=
r.
> If the good deeds are heavier, the Muslim enters Paradise. If the bad
dee=
ds
> are heavier, the Muslim does not. This was the same reasoning the
church =
at
> Galatia had adopted. Paul warned the church that the righteous are
redeem=
ed
> by their faith through Jesus Christ, not by their works. The Father
will
> become known through us because of our love to do his will guided by the
> Holy Spirit, not a Draconian obedience to observing rules. Sadly,
Muhamme=
d
> rejected the offer of redemption and created his own system. As such,
he
> will be condemned by the same rules he imposed upon others.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
> On May 8, 6:57 pm, "John Fraser" <jfra...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > Good morning Arah;
>
> > "arah" <arah1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>
>
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>
> > > Alt wrote:
>
> > > I agree. Jesus never once used the word "trinity", but I still
> > > maintain
> > > that He preached it.
>
> > > Alt have you forgotten what Jesus warned everyone!!!!
>
> > > Mark 7:6-13 (New International Version)
>
> > > 6He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you
> > > hypocrites; as it is written:
> > > " 'These people honor me with their lips,
> > > but their hearts are far from me.
> > > 7They wor****p me in vain;
> > > their teachings are but rules taught by men.'[a] 8You have let
> > > go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of
> > > men."
>
> > > 9And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the
> > > commands of God in order to observe[b] your own traditions! 10For
> > > Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,'[c] and, 'Anyone who
> > > curses his father or mother must be put to death.'[d] 11But you say
> > > that if a man says to his father or mother: 'Whatever help you might
> > > otherwise have received from me is Corban' (that is, a gift devoted
to=
> > > God), 12then you no longer let him do anything for his father or
> > > mother. 13Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that
you
> > > have handed down. And you do many things like that."
>
> > > Good luck
>
> > Setting aside the commands of God is exactly what Muhammad did.
Yet=
,
> > you say that it's OK for him. Worse, you use Scripture which you
claim =
is
> > false as an authority to accuse others. Jesus would call such a
person =
a
> > hypocrite.
>
> > Cheers,
> > John
>
> > > On May 8, 12:56 am, alt <spamt...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > >> On Wed, 07 May 2008 05:12:53 -0700, Raymond wrote:
> > >> > On May 7, 6:51 am, ARAH <arah1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > >> >> Alt wrote:
>
> > >> >> Again, we do not believe in three gods. We believe in one holy
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> > >> >> that
> > >> >> is infinite that created us as finite beings, but loves us so
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> > >> >> He
> > >> >> came down in the person of the Son to experience our lives as we
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o
> > >> >> and
> > >> >> to provide a new convenant between Him and us.
>
> > >> >> Prove to me that Jesus ever mentioned the above statement. Why
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> > >> >> confuse with the teaching of John and Paul?
>
> > >> > That is not an argument prove to me Jesus ever mentioned Mohammad
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r
> > >> > the
> > >> > name of God would be Allah, why confuse yourself with the Koran?
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ul
> > >> > and John were minsters that were appointed by God and the Word of
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od
> > >> > came by them, prove Mohammad was ever even known by God or God
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> > >> > pointed to your false religion or false prophets? Your always
> > >> > wanting
> > >> > proof but give nothing to prove you have anything to disprove the
> > >> > Bible
> > >> > and when your shown wrong and in falsehoods, you dare want to
dismi=
ss
> > >> > the appointed ministers of God and the Holy Bible.
>
> > >> >> > Now, the first and foremost point is that Jesus never preached
t=
he
> > >> >> > so- called holy Trinity.
>
> > >> >> Sure He did.
>
> > >> > So called does not mean Jesus had to preach such, it is SO CALLED
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> > >> > by
> > >> > Him but by people today
>
> ...
>
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