Good afternoon Arah;
"arah" <arah1958@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Fraser wrote,
"....Setting aside the commands of God is exactly what Muhammad did."
I hope you can explain which commands of Almighty God which Muhammad
set aside or Muhammad did not follow.Show me your evidences.
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Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon
him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in
thee I am well pleased.
Luke 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my
beloved Son: hear him.
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Yes, I read and understand the bible and I found many similarity
between the teaching of Muhammad, Moses and Jesus but
Paul contradict with all of them.
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I find strange you would say that Muhammad had many similar teachings
as
your own postings of Qu'ranic scripture clearly contradicts the Bible in
several areas. Sorry, but I don't see how they match.
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Deuteronomy
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. [a] 5 Love the
LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all
your strength. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be
upon your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them
when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie
down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind
them on your foreheads. 9 Write them on the doorframes of your houses
and on your gates.
10 When the LORD your God brings you into the land he swore to your
fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to give you—a land with large,
flourishing cities you did not build, 11 houses filled with all kinds
of good things you did not provide, wells you did not dig, and
vineyards and olive groves you did not plant—then when you eat and are
satisfied, 12 be careful that you do not forget the LORD, who brought
you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
13 Fear the LORD your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his
name. 14 Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you;
15 for the LORD your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his
anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of
the land. 16 Do not test the LORD your God as you did at Massah. 17 Be
sure to keep the commands of the LORD your God and the stipulations
and decrees he has given you. 18 Do what is right and good in the
LORD's sight, so that it may go well with you and you may go in and
take over the good land that the LORD promised on oath to your
forefathers, 19 thrusting out all your enemies before you,
Tell me why Paul teach the following ;
1You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes
Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to
learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing
the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? After
beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by
human effort? 4Have you suffered so much for nothing—if it really was
for nothing? 5Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you
because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?
6Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as
righteousness."[a] 7Understand, then, that those who believe are
children of Abraham. 8The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the
Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham:
"All nations will be blessed through you."[b] 9So those who have faith
are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
10All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is
written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything
written in the Book of the Law."[c] 11Clearly no one is justified
before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."[d]
12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does
these things will live by them."[e] 13Christ redeemed us from the
curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written:
"Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."[f] 14He redeemed us in
order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles
through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of
the Spirit.
John, tell me why Paul cursed Jesus?
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Good question, but he didn't. The basic message of the Bible is that
it
is
God's plan of redemption for Mankind. The Old Testament gives us an
outline
of Man's fall from grace, and what steps were taken to restore it.
Because
the Israelites/Jews are God's chosen people, much of its history centers
upon them. God made a covenant with the Israelites through the Law of
Moses. That meant anyone who was not Jewish (a Gentile) still had to
abide
by Mosaic Law should they wish the same. Some may think that following
strict rules is the only way to salvation. But, it's the "why" you follow
the rules that counts. Everything about God has always been about faith
and
a love for everything He stands for. Is it not the same faith you have
that
Muhammad is right about Allah?
Jesus opened the door for a new covenant with God's people (people of
the Book) which was extended equally to the Gentiles. The old covenant of
Mosaic Law ceased to exist. One could choose to remain under that
covenant,
but the rules they chose to abide by would be the same rules they would be
condemned with. Jesus became our redeemer by taking on that condemnation
for us. Initially, the church at Galatia was influenced by the Holy
Spirit
and believers lived by faith. However, some insisted that the Mosaic Law
still had to be obeyed and their faith slowly became more about works.
Thus, their redemption was about following rules, not about God's grace
because of their faith.
Does not Islam teach that one's entry into Paradise is determined by a
balance? The good and bad deeds of a Muslim are weighed against each
other.
If the good deeds are heavier, the Muslim enters Paradise. If the bad
deeds
are heavier, the Muslim does not. This was the same reasoning the church
at
Galatia had adopted. Paul warned the church that the righteous are
redeemed
by their faith through Jesus Christ, not by their works. The Father will
become known through us because of our love to do his will guided by the
Holy Spirit, not a Draconian obedience to observing rules. Sadly,
Muhammed
rejected the offer of redemption and created his own system. As such, he
will be condemned by the same rules he imposed upon others.
Cheers,
John
On May 8, 6:57 pm, "John Fraser" <jfra...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Good morning Arah;
>
> "arah" <arah1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Alt wrote:
>
> > I agree. Jesus never once used the word "trinity", but I still
> > maintain
> > that He preached it.
>
> > Alt have you forgotten what Jesus warned everyone!!!!
>
> > Mark 7:6-13 (New International Version)
>
> > 6He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you
> > hypocrites; as it is written:
> > " 'These people honor me with their lips,
> > but their hearts are far from me.
> > 7They worship me in vain;
> > their teachings are but rules taught by men.'[a] 8You have let
> > go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of
> > men."
>
> > 9And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the
> > commands of God in order to observe[b] your own traditions! 10For
> > Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,'[c] and, 'Anyone who
> > curses his father or mother must be put to death.'[d] 11But you say
> > that if a man says to his father or mother: 'Whatever help you might
> > otherwise have received from me is Corban' (that is, a gift devoted to
> > God), 12then you no longer let him do anything for his father or
> > mother. 13Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you
> > have handed down. And you do many things like that."
>
> > Good luck
>
> Setting aside the commands of God is exactly what Muhammad did.
Yet,
> you say that it's OK for him. Worse, you use Scripture which you claim
is
> false as an authority to accuse others. Jesus would call such a person
a
> hypocrite.
>
> Cheers,
> John
>
>
>
> > On May 8, 12:56 am, alt <spamt...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 07 May 2008 05:12:53 -0700, Raymond wrote:
> >> > On May 7, 6:51 am, ARAH <arah1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> >> Alt wrote:
>
> >> >> Again, we do not believe in three gods. We believe in one holy God
> >> >> that
> >> >> is infinite that created us as finite beings, but loves us so much
> >> >> He
> >> >> came down in the person of the Son to experience our lives as we
do
> >> >> and
> >> >> to provide a new convenant between Him and us.
>
> >> >> Prove to me that Jesus ever mentioned the above statement. Why get
> >> >> confuse with the teaching of John and Paul?
>
> >> > That is not an argument prove to me Jesus ever mentioned Mohammad
or
> >> > the
> >> > name of God would be Allah, why confuse yourself with the Koran?
Paul
> >> > and John were minsters that were appointed by God and the Word of
God
> >> > came by them, prove Mohammad was ever even known by God or God ever
> >> > pointed to your false religion or false prophets? Your always
> >> > wanting
> >> > proof but give nothing to prove you have anything to disprove the
> >> > Bible
> >> > and when your shown wrong and in falsehoods, you dare want to
dismiss
> >> > the appointed ministers of God and the Holy Bible.
>
> >> >> > Now, the first and foremost point is that Jesus never preached
the
> >> >> > so- called holy Trinity.
>
> >> >> Sure He did.
>
> >> > So called does not mean Jesus had to preach such, it is SO CALLED
not
> >> > by
> >> > Him but by people today and others.
>
> >> I agree. Jesus never once used the word "trinity", but I still
maintain
> >> that He preached it.
>
> >> >> First, Jesus said, "I and the Father are one" in John 10:30. The
> >> >> Jews
> >> >> even took up stones to stone him and Jesus asked them in v32 why
> >> >> they
> >> >> want to stone him. They explicitely told him that they wanted to
> >> >> stone
> >> >> him for blasphemy; for making himself God. So, Jesus definitely
knew
> >> >> what
> >> >> he was saying. There is no "oh wow. I'm sorry. I didn't mean it
like
> >> >> that" after that. He continued with his position that he is God.
>
> >> > NO ONE STONED JESUS and He was God in the body of Christ, as they
> >> > could
> >> > not touch Him, He even walked in with them and they could not stone
> >> > or
> >> > touch Him, which also proved to many He was God in the flesh.
>
> >> And this too is an excellent point. Jesus just walked away. The jews
> >> were
> >> unable to stone Him. Either he was a really slick talker or He was
> >> protected. I vote for the latter.
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