ARAH wrote:
>
> Alt wrote:
> Again, we do not believe in three gods. We believe in one holy God
> that
> is infinite that created us as finite beings, but loves us so much He
> came down in the person of the Son to experience our lives as we do
> and
> to provide a new convenant between Him and us.
Tell that to the millions of Burmese right now grieving the
loss of up to 60,000 of their brothers and sisters in the
recent tropical cyclone.
[A loving god in action.] This is not a myth, it is in the
media, the bodies are there for all to see, unlike and godly apparitions.
>
> Prove to me that Jesus ever mentioned the above statement. Why get
> confuse with the teaching of John and Paul?
>
> > Now, the first and foremost point is that Jesus never preached the so-
> > called holy Trinity.
No it was dreamed up much later. the trinity is based on a
pre Christian adage:
'Three are always more believable than one"
>
> Sure He did.
>
> First, Jesus said, "I and the Father are one" in John 10:30.
If he existed he spoke aramaic which would then have been
translated many times over before reaching an English
version. Claims of 'He said this He said that' are childish
nonsense and totally FALSE
The Jews
> even took up stones to stone him and Jesus asked them in v32 why they
> want to stone him. They explicitely told him that they wanted to stone
> him for blasphemy; for making himself God. So, Jesus definitely knew
> what
> he was saying. There is no "oh wow. I'm sorry. I didn't mean it like
> that" after that. He continued with his position that he is God.
>
> Not necessary one person because the Father is not a person like Jesus
> but it is about One VISION and One MISSION. What is the Vision? To
> save the generation of Israel from being burned in the hell fire.
>
> The Prove
>
> Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following
> instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the
> Samaritans. Mat 10:6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.
>
> (Mat 15:24 NIV) He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of
> Israel."
>
> (Mat 15:22-28 NIV) A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him,
> crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is
> suffering terribly from demon-possession." {23} Jesus did not answer a
> word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for
> she keeps crying out after us." {24} He answered, "I was sent only to
> the lost sheep of Israel." {25} The woman came and knelt before him.
> "Lord, help me!" she said. {26} He replied, "It is not right to take
> the children's bread and toss it to their dogs." {27} "Yes, Lord," she
> said, "but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters'
> table." {28} Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your
> request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.
>
> Why Jesus is not will to help the Canaanite women? If Jesus is God in
> human form what kind of unfair god is that?
>
> Second, Jesus said, "Most certainly, I tell you, before Abraham came
> into
> existence, I AM" (John 8:58). Now, how can a mere man or a prophet
> pre-
> exist Abraham? Abraham died thousands of years for Jesus was born. And
> how can anyone claim to be "I AM", a name that Jesus used to
> definitively
> say that He is God Almighty. It is notable that again, they wanted to
> stone him. It is not recorded in this instance, but there is no doubt
> that they were to stone him for Blasphemy.
>
> Yes before Abraham came in existence but why didn't Jesus did not
> mention he was around before Adam and Eve.? Abraham is not the first
> person on earth but the bible mentioned it was Adam
>
> >Neither did Abraham and Moses et al. preach anything like that.
>
> Why don't you refer to the OT to understand the teaching of Moses?
>
> Given that Jesus' birth comes after, I'm not at all surprised if they
> didn't. God revealed His word over time, not all at once. Why? I have
> no
> idea, but he does have a plan and it's way more intricate than I could
> ever hope to understand.
>
> "I am a Jealous God" (Exodus 20:4-5)
>
> "Do not make for yourselves images of anything in heaven or on earth
> or in the water under the earth. Do not bow down to any idol or
> wor****p it, because I am the Lord your God and I tolerate no rivals".
>
> Those were the Words of God, Yahweh, spoken to Moses at Mount Sinai.
>
> 'I am a jealous God!' He tolerates no rival. Yes! Indeed, He tolerates
> no rival.
>
> >The word 'trinity' doesn't even exist in the entire Bible!
>
> Neither does the word "Bible". What's your point? The Bible isn't a
> dictionary, it is a collection of holy scriptures designed to teach us
> who God is and how we may come by salvation through Jesus Christ.
>
> So everyone get confuse, the bible is not holy and not the word of
> Jesus. Jesus don't even called his followers as Christian. So what do
> Jesus called his followers and who are actually the Christian?
>
> > Secondly, from logical and rational viewpoint, the so-called holy
> > Trinity cannot be existed in reality. Because it doesn't make any
sense
> > at all as it's a logical impossibility!
>
> Trinity is from the Pagan or Greek. Greek believe in multiple Gods
>
> Really? You would put our limited, finite understanding into an
> infinite,
> unlimited god? Some things are outside of our capability to
> understand,
> but that does not mean they are illogical.
>
> What is the characteristic of Almighty God in the OT and Al Quran?
>
> 2:255 GOD - there is no deity save Him, the Ever-Living, the Self-
> Subsistent Fount of All Being. Neither slumber overtakes Him, nor
> sleep. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth. Who
> is there that could intercede with Him, unless it be by His leave? He
> knows all that lies open before men and all that is hidden from them,
> [247] whereas they cannot attain to aught of His knowledge save that
> which He wills [them to attain]. His eternal power [248] overspreads
> the heavens and the earth, and their upholding wearies Him not. And he
> alone is truly exalted, tremendous.
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> > That's the reason Quran has strongly rejected the doctrine of Trinity.
> > Because it has nothing to do with the teaching of Jesus on one hand
and
> > it's also an absurdity on the other. Therefore, Muslims do not wonder
at
> > all when they see educated, intelligence and rational minded
Christians
> > leaving Christianity in droves!
>
> > Islamic solution of holy Trinity:
>
> > Father = God the Creator;
>
> > Son (Jesus) = Prophet of God [Matthew 21:11 , Luke 24:19];
>
> > Holy Ghost = Arch Angel Gabriel.
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