ummiroses@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> =
> Dear John,
> =
> Do you remember what the bible said about the meaning of Son of God?
> =
> Cheers
The Bible is/was a book written by humans. A book cannot
talk, even one that props up an ancient belief. All books
are the same - they are written, printed, distributed and
then larketed by MAN. Including the bible.
Before homo sapien could speak in useable form, let alone
write things down, there were no recorded gods. They no
doubt ****vered in their caves of a night terrified of the
noises in the dark [two tree limbs rubbing together] =
fearing 'THE EVIL SPIRITS'. Later one of them carved a
wooden god claiming it would frighten away the evil spirits.
=
Boy - did HE start something ! =
Heard any tree limbs rubbing together lately ?
Cheers
Bob
Humanist
"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his
creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are
conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his
physical death is also beyond my comprehension; such notions
are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls."
[Albert Einstein]
> =
> On May 2, 9:00 pm, "John Fraser" <jfra...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > Good morning Arah;
> >
> > "arah" <arah1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> >
> > news:bb51ba8a-f284-4430-8743-0ab8212b8bb1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > > No holy Trinity!
> >
> > > Christian belief about holy Trinity:
> >
> > > *Father is a God, Son is a God, and Holy Ghost is a God; but there =
are
> > > not three Gods, only one God! (Christians do not seem to know simpl=
e
> > > math, although they are expert in science and technology!)
> >
> > Correction: The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spiri=
t is
> > God.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > *Father is an Almighty, Son is an Almighty, and Holy Ghost is an
> > > Almighty; but there are not three Almighty, only one Almighty!
> > > (Christians seem to be weak in logic and rationality. Because three=
> > > Almighty cannot co-exist together unless they talk about some kind =
of
> > > weak and limited almighty!)
> >
> > > *Father is a Person, Son is a Person, and Holy Ghost is a Person; b=
ut
> > > there are not three Persons, only one Person! (Once again Christian=
s
> > > do not seem to know simple math! Or, maybe, they ha three gods in
> > > their heart but they feel shy to say it in public because of the
> > > vitality and logical superiority of Monotheism! They simply lie or
> > > deceive themselves when they say they believe in one God!)
> >
> > Agreed, the Trinity is described as three persons in one God.
> >
> > Perhaps you can explain this passage:
> >
> > Mat 3:16-17
> > 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the=
water:
> > and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of G=
od
> > descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
> > 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in =
whom I
> > am well pleased.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Now, the first and foremost point is that Jesus never preached the =
so-
> > > called holy Trinity. Neither did Abraham and Moses et al. preach
> > > anything like that. The word 'trinity' doesn't even exist in the
> > > entire Bible!
> >
> > Jhn 20:26-31
> > 26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thoma=
s with
> > them: [then] came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst=
, and
> > said, Peace [be] unto you.
> > 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my=
hands;
> > and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not
> > faithless, but believing.
> > 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
> > 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou h=
ast
> > believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have belie=
ved.
> > 30 =B6And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his
> > disciples, which are not written in this book:
> > 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the =
Christ,
> > the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his nam=
e.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Secondly, from logical and rational viewpoint, the so-called holy
> > > Trinity cannot be existed in reality. Because it doesn't make any
> > > sense at all as it's a logical impossibility!
> >
> > Well, hydrogen burns and oxygen sup****ts combustion. When combin=
ed
> > properly, hydrogen and oxygen form water. Is water not used to put o=
ut
> > fires? Does that make sense?
> >
> >
> >
> > > That's the reason Quran has strongly rejected the doctrine of Trini=
ty.
> > > Because it has nothing to do with the teaching of Jesus on one hand=
> > > and it's also an absurdity on the other. Therefore, Muslims do not
> > > wonder at all when they see educated, intelligence and rational min=
ded
> > > Christians leaving Christianity in droves!
> >
> > You're quite right, the Qu'ran has nothing to do with the teachin=
gs of
> > Jesus.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Islamic solution of holy Trinity:
> > > Father =3D God the Creator;
> > > Son (Jesus) =3D Prophet of God [Matthew 21:11 , Luke 24:19];
> > > Holy Ghost =3D Arch Angel Gabriel.
> >
> > Nowhere in Scripture is Gabriel shown to be the Holy Spirit.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Does the Islamic solution sound logical and rational? Each and
> > > everybody are supposed to agree with this solution unless someone i=
s
> > > deaf, dumb and blind! That's why majority of reverts to Islam are f=
rom
> > > Christian background.
> >
> > Psa 8:1-9
> > 1 =B6O LORD our Lord, how excellent [is] thy name in all the earth=
! who
> > hast set thy glory above the heavens.
> > 2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained stren=
gth
> > because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the
> > avenger.
> > 3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon a=
nd the
> > stars, which thou hast ordained;
> > 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, t=
hat
> > thou visitest him?
> > 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast =
crowned
> > him with glory and honour.
> > 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; th=
ou hast
> > put all [things] under his feet:
> > 7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;
> > 8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, [and whatsoever] p=
asseth
> > through the paths of the seas.
> > 9 O LORD our Lord, how excellent [is] thy name in all the earth!
> >
> > Isa 9:6-7
> > 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the gov=
ernment
> > shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful,
> > Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Pea=
ce.
> > 7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] n=
o end,
> > upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to
> > establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for =
ever.
> > The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > John
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