Dear John,
Do you remember what the bible said about the meaning of Son of God?
Cheers
On May 2, 9:00 pm, "John Fraser" <jfra...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Good morning Arah;
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> "arah" <arah1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> news:bb51ba8a-f284-4430-8743-0ab8212b8bb1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > No holy Trinity!
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> > Christian belief about holy Trinity:
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> > *Father is a God, Son is a God, and Holy Ghost is a God; but there are
> > not three Gods, only one God! (Christians do not seem to know simple
> > math, although they are expert in science and technology!)
>
> Correction: The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit
is
> God.
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> > *Father is an Almighty, Son is an Almighty, and Holy Ghost is an
> > Almighty; but there are not three Almighty, only one Almighty!
> > (Christians seem to be weak in logic and rationality. Because three
> > Almighty cannot co-exist together unless they talk about some kind of
> > weak and limited almighty!)
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> > *Father is a Person, Son is a Person, and Holy Ghost is a Person; but
> > there are not three Persons, only one Person! (Once again Christians
> > do not seem to know simple math! Or, maybe, they ha three gods in
> > their heart but they feel shy to say it in public because of the
> > vitality and logical superiority of Monotheism! They simply lie or
> > deceive themselves when they say they believe in one God!)
>
> Agreed, the Trinity is described as three persons in one God.
>
> Perhaps you can explain this passage:
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> Mat 3:16-17
> 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the
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r:
> and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God
> descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
> 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in
whom =
I
> am well pleased.
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> > Now, the first and foremost point is that Jesus never preached the so-
> > called holy Trinity. Neither did Abraham and Moses et al. preach
> > anything like that. The word 'trinity' doesn't even exist in the
> > entire Bible!
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> Jhn 20:26-31
> 26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas
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> them: [then] came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst,
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> said, Peace [be] unto you.
> 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my
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s;
> and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not
> faithless, but believing.
> 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
> 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast
> believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have
believed.
> 30 =B6And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his
> disciples, which are not written in this book:
> 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the
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t,
> the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
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> > Secondly, from logical and rational viewpoint, the so-called holy
> > Trinity cannot be existed in reality. Because it doesn't make any
> > sense at all as it's a logical impossibility!
>
> Well, hydrogen burns and oxygen sup****ts combustion. When combined
> properly, hydrogen and oxygen form water. Is water not used to put out
> fires? Does that make sense?
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> > That's the reason Quran has strongly rejected the doctrine of Trinity.
> > Because it has nothing to do with the teaching of Jesus on one hand
> > and it's also an absurdity on the other. Therefore, Muslims do not
> > wonder at all when they see educated, intelligence and rational minded
> > Christians leaving Christianity in droves!
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> You're quite right, the Qu'ran has nothing to do with the teachings
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> Jesus.
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> > Islamic solution of holy Trinity:
> > Father =3D God the Creator;
> > Son (Jesus) =3D Prophet of God [Matthew 21:11 , Luke 24:19];
> > Holy Ghost =3D Arch Angel Gabriel.
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> Nowhere in Scripture is Gabriel shown to be the Holy Spirit.
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> > Does the Islamic solution sound logical and rational? Each and
> > everybody are supposed to agree with this solution unless someone is
> > deaf, dumb and blind! That's why majority of reverts to Islam are from
> > Christian background.
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> Psa 8:1-9
> 1 =B6O LORD our Lord, how excellent [is] thy name in all the earth!
who=
> hast set thy glory above the heavens.
> 2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength
> because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the
> avenger.
> 3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and
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e
> stars, which thou hast ordained;
> 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that
> thou visitest him?
> 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast
crown=
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> him with glory and honour.
> 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou
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> put all [things] under his feet:
> 7 All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;
> 8 The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, [and whatsoever]
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> through the paths of the seas.
> 9 O LORD our Lord, how excellent [is] thy name in all the earth!
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> Isa 9:6-7
> 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the
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nt
> shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful,
> Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
> 7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no
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> upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to
> establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for
ever.=
> The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
>
> Cheers,
> John
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